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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-24-2013, 06:13 PM Thread Starter
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GSP: Kill Rounds In MMA, Best Man Wins

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Georges St. Pierre: Who is the best man inside the Octagon? Do away with 'ridiculous,' 'stupid' rounds and find out

By Adam Guillen Jr. on Apr 23 2013, 10:00p  @AdamGuillenJr 98


Cardio freak and UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre wants to take it old school, going back to the days of a single-round format with no breaks to keep the fight "honest" and pure.

There are no breaks in a "real" fight -- two men go toe-to-toe until one of them taps, naps or snaps. Inside the Octagon, however, where it supposed be, "As Real As It Gets!," the best athletes in the world are given brief breaks between five-minute rounds.

And that just doesn't square right with a purist like Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre.

Making an impromptu appearance on "The Joe Rogan Experience" today (April 23, 2013), "Rush" revealed if he could change one thing about mixed martial arts (MMA) today, he would do away with "stupid" timed rounds. That's right, the endurance-gifted French Canadian would prefer the sport -- most importantly UFC -- go back to the early days of competition where there was one single timed round instead of the current format.

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According to St. Pierre, by having a single round with no rest between would best determine the better fighter. No being saved by the bell, in-fight adjustments from the corner team, cut treatment and absolutely no rest for 15 (or 25 in championship / main event bouts) minutes.

Nada, zip, zilch, zero.

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"There's a lot of things I would change in the sport. First of all, the time, there's no time, no round. Seriously, I believe it is stupid, the round. If you want to see who's the best man, let them fight, you know? Fifteen minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship. No rounds. Why the round? Why are we trying to be like boxing? We're not boxers -- they did rounds to be like boxing to be accepted as a sport. Yeah, of course, 100 percent (there would be more finishes). No rounds. I think it's ridiculous. 100 percent I would rather fight with a rule like this, I think it's more honest, like, who's the better man? Let them fight."
Not everyone has a bottomless gas tank like St. Pierre (except maybe Cain Velasquez), who has been involved in five consecutive five-round title fights. He is undoubtedly among the top conditioned athletes in the sport, meaning that if the promotion were to ever return to its original roots, paying respect to early Ironmen such as Royce Gracie, Mark Coleman, and Dan Severn, among others, St. Pierre would most likely continue to shine.

And perhaps even finish an opponent for the first time since 2009.

Regardless, on the heels of his most recent performance against Nick Diaz at UFC 158, during which St. Pierre uncharacteristically faded in the final two rounds (even though he won them), it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the outcome could have been somewhat different even if it was because of the fever-like symptoms he was battling.

On second thought ... not really.
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I agree. The rounds serve no purpose and they usually just muck up the scoring.

1 fight - 15 minutes (or 25 for title fights) - and the judges just pick the winner if it goes to decision.

This gives grapplers more time to work for subs, and also get rid of the cheap little trick wrestlers like to pull where they get a takedown right at the end of the round to steal it.




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Although I do support it for special exhibitions there was a downside to that. It happened with Gracie vs Shamrock II and Shamrock vs Severn and Oleg. All were 30 minutes long w/ two ending up in draws. Then there was Gracie vs Sakuraba that went 90 minutes. There's a point where both fighters are going to be pretty exhausted and will stall. Rounds ensure both fighters should be fresh, and that there will be more action.

I think the 10 minute Pride round was pretty intense.

Anyways most fights won't last that long if they engage. So with GSP I have to say that the results may be the same. He'd most likely maul his opponents for 25 minutes straight and still get a decision.

It's usually the grapplers who need extra time. The strikers usually end it quickly unless it's a war of attrition.

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Although I do support it for special exhibitions there was a downside to that. It happened with Gracie vs Shamrock II and Shamrock vs Severn and Oleg. All were 30 minutes long w/ two ending up in draws. Then there was Gracie vs Sakuraba that went 90 minutes. There's a point where both fighters are going to be pretty exhausted and will stall. Rounds ensure both fighters should be fresh, and that there will be more action.

I think the 10 minute Pride round was pretty intense.

Anyways most fights won't last that long if they engage. So with GSP I have to say that the results may be the same. He'd most likely maul his opponents for 25 minutes straight and still get a decision.

It's usually the grapplers who need extra time. The strikers usually end it quickly unless it's a war of attrition.
The time thing won't be an issue if they limit the fight time to 15 minutes, and draws would be impossible if 3 judges were forced to pick a winner.




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Having no rounds or round times does not allow you to see who the better fighter is, it allows you to see who has better conditioning. Go watch a marathon or a triathlon if you want to find out who the most in shape guy is.
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That would be so cool, i love the idea.
Hope that it comes to light but not feeling too much faith in it!

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Having no rounds or round times does not allow you to see who the better fighter is, it allows you to see who has better conditioning. Go watch a marathon or a triathlon if you want to find out who the most in shape guy is.
That's EXACTLY what it wouldn't do. The better fighter would get the opportunity to finish. Rounds right now severely limit finishes.

Also, it would be interesting to see how a lot of guys would react mentally as well. Knowing someone like GSP is on top of you within the first two minutes has got to be a major psych issue knowing there wont be a standup in 3 minutes.

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It's not to imitate boxing, it's too limit the groundfighting. 25 minute title bouts would result in a lot of groundfighting, which as a fight fan I'd be fine with but the average fan would walk away from the sport as knockouts go down and submissions go up in frequency. If you don't have rounds and fighters don't get the standup and recuperation there won't be nearly as many knockouts.
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I agree. The rounds serve no purpose and they usually just muck up the scoring.

1 fight - 15 minutes (or 25 for title fights) - and the judges just pick the winner if it goes to decision.

This gives grapplers more time to work for subs, and also get rid of the cheap little trick wrestlers like to pull where they get a takedown right at the end of the round to steal it.
I agree 100%. I doubt it would happen though but a man can dream. Kudos to GSP if he means it.

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So GSP fights could last forever? No thanks.
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