But, how can you fault Jones for that? A lack of competition shouldn't negatively reflect on his career.
Shouldn't it? Tyson's greatness was long debated because of the competition he faced. Like I said, I don't fault Jones. I just really find it hard to measure how great he really is, given the state of the LHW division.
Chuck never fought a single great striker but he's considered one of the best LHW's for knocking out grapplers.
He's considered one of the best, because he was dominant over other guys who were also in their prime and who belonged in the division. At least, as far as the old breed went. Jones is one of the new breed which, unfortunately, the rest of the LHW division is sorely lacking.
Chuck's stock also dropped a bit after the first loss to Rampage, and more so after the second.
When you step up the level of the game like Jones has, it makes everyone look worse in comparison. If anything, that should be a credit to him which is hard for me to say because I hate him as a person.
I don't deny he's above everyone else right now. All I'm saying is that we still don't know how good he really is, because nearly all of his fights have been against guys undersized, over the hill, or both.
Yeah, see regardless of Jones resume it's still twice the resume as the number #1 guy. Anderson Silva fought 6 guys that have been cut from the UFC all during his title reign. Jon Jones has fought more UFC champions and done so in less fights. Jones has also never lost a decision, been stopped in a fight, and aside from a terrible DQ would be unbeaten right now.
That's a good point, and I do consider Anderson's run a little overrated, as well. I've never been too impressed with the UFC MW division, either. It's full of guys who are either great at 1 thing but lacking in others like Chael, or moderately good at everything but great in nothing like Bisping. I still think Vitor is the biggest threat in that division. Haven't seen enough of Weidman to be convinced, either way.
Anderson, however, has at least gone up and fought larger guys, doing things never done to them before in the process. He also doesn't regularly enjoy a 10 inch reach advantage over his opponents, or fight natural welterweights, aside from maybe Marquardt.
But yes, both guys are big fish in somewhat small ponds. You'd have to see Anderson as more proven, though.
Also I don't know where this "shallow LHW" division comes from. Are they old...yep but you know what's worse than being old, being a top five ranked fighter with one win over another top ten guy (Bisping). Fighters can walk into the top ten at MW, guys can go from prelims to contenders practically overnight while at LHW it took years before people took Gustaf seriously. Davis had to be unblemished. Bader and Nog needed massive upsets to return to the rankings.
I actually think that's partly to do with the UFC doing a better job of trying to build guys up at LHW. Probably because they know how bad of shape it's in. Bader was given favorable match ups for quite a while, as were Davis and Gustaffson. When Davis finally had to face a legit guy, he lost. Gustaffson has never really impressed me. Another guy who seems to be alright in everything but doesn't excel at anything. Slightly above average striking, maybe, but he did go the distance rather unimpressively with a beat up/washed up Thiago Silva.
The most impressive win for Glover is over a clearly unmotivated Rampage who has been on the down slide for quite a while.
Stupidist thread ever. You have basically just gave an excuse for the whole devision. Jon Jones is a LH fighter, he is not a heavyweight and doesn't come close to there size.
You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I would suggest to you not to call something stupid while misspelling 3 words in as many sentences.
At the weigh inn's last night middleweight Chael was alot bigger than Jones.
Did we watch the same weigh in? Chael looked more full simply because he didn't have to cut as much weight. Jon has a much bigger frame, and the size difference will be more obvious when we see them tomorrow.
Jones is 230 tops, half of the names you mentioned are heavier than that.
Really? Who on that list cuts more weight? Rampage, maybe, but that's largely due to getting too out of shape between fights. Jones has long speculated an eventual move to Heavyweight, even before he became the champ.