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Old 04-29-2013, 03:04 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I give it to Anderson if they fight, mostly because I think Anderson doesn't really try in most of his fights and we rarely see him trying 100%. I remember one time, in the Okami fight in I think the second round he looked like he was legitimately trying for a small amount of time. He was moving his head and pushing forward aggressively and throwing punches with intent to hurt, I really hope this fight happens and we see both fighters pushed to their limits.

Anderson's advantage is Jones will underestimate him because he rarely tries, Anderson is as tough as they came, if they get close and exchange Jones will come out the loser if Anderson can get him to exchange for even a few seconds. He's got to shake Jones off and stay in the pocket for a little while, Jones has the brute force but Anderson has one punch fight changing power. Jones has never fought anyone with the speed of Silva.
He tried 100% in the first Sonnen fight I expect, unless he likes eating punches to the face for 4.5 rounds. The same Sonnen that Jones just ragdolled.

But by that same token, no one pushed Jones to his limit like Vitor putting his arm in a sling. Anderson has shown a much more dangerous guard than Vitor. Anderson has subbed BJJ black belts while Vitor only has a couple of subs on his record against some scrubs more than a decade ago.

It's a great fight for sure and like you said, there is just no one else alive that can push these guys to their limits like each other. They are both on another level.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:12 AM   #62 (permalink)
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He tried 100% in the first Sonnen fight I expect, unless he likes eating punches to the face for 4.5 rounds. The same Sonnen that Jones just ragdolled.

But by that same token, no one pushed Jones to his limit like Vitor putting his arm in a sling. Anderson has shown a much more dangerous guard than Vitor. Anderson has subbed BJJ black belts while Vitor only has a couple of subs on his record against some scrubs more than a decade ago.

It's a great fight for sure and like you said, there is just no one else alive that can push these guys to their limits like each other. They are both on another level.
Haha Anderson was not 100% in the Sonnen fight.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:39 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Haha Anderson was not 100% in the Sonnen fight.
I guess that's true. But none of Anderson's opponents nearly match up to the kind of competition Bones has demolished. I mean Bonnar, Leites, Cote, Irvin, Forrest, Lutter ... most of these guys got cut from the UFC, and Forrest / Bonnar were only in it for being exciting, not super elite fighters.

Silva's best wins are Henderson, Sonnen, Belfort and Franklin. Franklin, Sonnen, Belfort don't even rank at LHW, they got killed in most of their recent fights there. Henderson is about the only elite level LHW Silva has fought and beaten, that's it.

Compare that to Rashad, Shogun, Rampage and Machida. These guys are far above any of the guys on Anderson's list. Machida just beat Hendo, as did Rampage a while back. Machida also KOd Franklin. Vlad, Bader, Vera and Hamill are also far more solid veterans than the likes of Leites, Cote, Irvin and Lutter ... these guys have been around in the UFC forever and all have winning records unlike those Silva opponents that hardly stuck around in the UFC after being beaten by him.

Also Silva has been beaten before. Many times. Long ago, yes, but still losses are losses. If he wasn't trying 100% against Chonan or Takase, he probably should have. Jones has faced a murderer's row of opponents and never truly lost.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:53 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I guess that's true. But none of Anderson's opponents nearly match up to the kind of competition Bones has demolished. I mean Bonnar, Leites, Cote, Irvin, Forrest, Lutter ... most of these guys got cut from the UFC, and Forrest / Bonnar were only in it for being exciting, not super elite fighters.

Silva's best wins are Henderson, Sonnen, Belfort and Franklin. Franklin, Sonnen, Belfort don't even rank at LHW, they got killed in most of their recent fights there. Henderson is about the only elite level LHW Silva has fought and beaten, that's it.

Compare that to Rashad, Shogun, Rampage and Machida. These guys are far above any of the guys on Anderson's list. Machida just beat Hendo, as did Rampage a while back. Machida also KOd Franklin. Vlad, Bader, Vera and Hamill are also far more solid veterans than the likes of Leites, Cote, Irvin and Lutter ... these guys have been around in the UFC forever and all have winning records unlike those Silva opponents that hardly stuck around in the UFC after being beaten by him.

Also Silva has been beaten before. Many times. Long ago, yes, but still losses are losses. If he wasn't trying 100% against Chonan or Takase, he probably should have. Jones has faced a murderer's row of opponents and never truly lost.
But doesn't Anderson Silva murder anyone Jones has faced also? I know you can't play mma math, but what did vitor,forrest, or Bonnar do to silva in their fight? I know forrest defeated page,shogun, etc.

I do agree with you both guys offer a unique challenger to each other. It is hard to pick a winner unless they fight, but I believe Anderson Silva is just the more experience and skilled fighter. Jones hasnt fought someone like Anderson, just like Anderson has never fought someone like Jones.
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Jones is taking Silva down and raining down elbows. Game Over.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:44 AM   #66 (permalink)
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How can anyone doubt Silva? You can think JBJ could win, even predict it, but no matter if it comes to fruition or not, it's a BAD prediction. You CAN'T predict against Silva, because he's THAT good.

Both fights offer the same interesting points. GSP won't get submitted by Anderson, but his wrestling being maybe the best in the world will be a big factor. Jones could get subbed, but his GnP makes up for it. He doesn't have GSP level wresting, but the size advantage would play a big part.

On the feet though, reach or not, Silva defeats both.
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This is why the fight needs to happen. I'm getting tired of you Jones and Silva fanboys pissing, moaning, and challenging one another with MMA math and hypotheticals. Both are tremendous fighters who are capable of beating the absolute tar out of the other. That's the long and short of it. Jones could kill Silva with wrestling and ground and pound. Silva could kill Jones with striking. And both could submit one another, one via skill and the other via strength. There is no writing one or the other off.

Dana, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, please make this fight happen so that this madness might end!
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:43 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I think vitors better off his back and he got pummeled, chael got up a few times but again he's probably the best fighter off his back to get back up that jones has faced.
That's the thing Vitor is lame as hell off his back....when's the last time Vitor has submitted someone period? Let alone from guard.

Anderson has submitted two people in title fights from his guard and one was a high level black belt.

Pretty sure he also swept Nate Marquardt..
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He tried 100% in the first Sonnen fight I expect, unless he likes eating punches to the face for 4.5 rounds. The same Sonnen that Jones just ragdolled.

But by that same token, no one pushed Jones to his limit like Vitor putting his arm in a sling. Anderson has shown a much more dangerous guard than Vitor. Anderson has subbed BJJ black belts while Vitor only has a couple of subs on his record against some scrubs more than a decade ago.

It's a great fight for sure and like you said, there is just no one else alive that can push these guys to their limits like each other. They are both on another level.
yeah, he probably tried in that fight while not being physically 100%
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I don't believe anything about Silva/Bones or Silva/GSP, especially when it comes from Dana. I'll believe it when it's announced. Scratch that...I'll believe it on Fight Night when they're in the cage.
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