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Old 05-01-2013, 02:01 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The motion is what is illegal not hitting someone with the point of your elbow. He is using a forward motion on Chael not 12-6. It has to be straight up and straight down like the second gif if you change the motion slightly in any way it is legal. The rule is pretty absurd.
I don't think it's that absurd, at least when the target is the face, because a downward spiking elbow could severely damage the eyes, while when the motion is not straight downward the force is less directly on the eyes, but rather distributed to the bone around the eye. I would allow 12-6 elbows to any other legal area than the face though.
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Well not necessarily. You'd have to think the fight would be stopped if the doctor checked out Jones' toe. If Jones didn't land the elbow, Chael might've survived till the second. He could be champ right now. Granted an illegitimate champ, but a champ nonetheless.
Yeah but if Jones didn't land that elbow he would've landed 5 or more other elbows so I think it doesn't matter because Chael was not fighting back in the first place.

He wasn't rocked though and could continue obviously, but we all know how vicious Jones' elbows are and I think Jones would've won in those other seconds he had left in the round.

But if Chael somehow made it to the 2nd then he would be Champ because I don't think the doctor would allow Jones to continue with that foot.

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Old 05-01-2013, 04:12 PM   #43 (permalink)
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To be honest its not worth discussing simply because it had zero contribution to the outcome.
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If there was an illegal elbow there it was borderline at best.

Here's a link to a good quality gif, from a 60 frame per second video ... it's about 200MB, so be patient it will take a while to load.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7352295/anim1.gif

The first elbow may have looked to be technically a 12-6 on the poor quality gif, but it looked to me on a better quality view to be a very short elbow going down and forward, and a ref would be a complete moron to call that a foul as at that point any short elbow from the top would have to be called a foul since it's basically a couple of inches of downward and forward movement.

The second elbow was an obvious arc across Chael's face moving from Jon's right to left.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:26 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I don't particularly care. Chael didn't complain, and frankly, I'm not inclined to complain on his behalf. But this idea that rule breaking should only be of consequence when it effects the ultimate outcome is a bit ridiculous. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules.

Chael didn't defeat Anderson, so maybe he shouldn't have been suspended for six months for testing high. I mean, it didn't effect the end result!
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Chael didn't defeat Anderson, so maybe he shouldn't have been suspended for six months for testing high. I mean, it didn't effect the end result!
Good point.
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Good point.
Same for Nick Diaz. I'm thinking he should have had an extra point or something, if you can come in in that kind of shape and fight that well while smoking weed that's some serious willpower.
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Jesus people it was not an illegal elbow. Jones arm may have been straight up and down but that was not the motion of the elbow. He thrust forward with the elbow. For it to be illegal the elbow has to come straight down.

This whole thread shows an appalling lack of education on what is allowed by the rules.
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They're both contrary to the rules. No one is arguing that they're the exact same, but you can certainly make the comparison that if breaking the rules during a fight is okay if it's ultimately of no consequence, then breaking the rules outside of a fight must also be okay if it's ultimately of no consequence.

You can't just brush it off by saying they're different scenarios. That's a cop-out. We're talking about rule breaking and people having no problem with it because it made no difference. Last I checked, that wasn't the point of having rules.
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