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Old 04-30-2013, 08:44 AM   #41 (permalink)
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how do you define p4p? Frankie is a p4p beast if he's a natural BW going toe to toe with huge LWs like Bendo.

Bendo is the cloudiest champion, he's also huge for his division.

I think if Anderson and Bones both had the exact same frame, but they each kept their individual skills then Anderson would murder Bones. That = P4P IMO.
You can pick any definition for p4p and Frankie shoudn't be mentioned at this point for the reasons I wrote. Frankie is a runner. He has good tools to step up with that competition, but p4p is a stretch.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:14 AM   #42 (permalink)
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A natural 135er arguably beats 155 and 145 Champion. He's not fighting chumps, he's fighting the best guys in the world and he's smaller than them all. Many, many people are unhappy with the recent decisions that Frankie has received, and he's not a runner, he's a very intelligent fighter and I find him one of the most exciting fighters to watch in all of MMA.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:34 AM   #43 (permalink)
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A natural 135er arguably beats 155 and 145 Champion. He's not fighting chumps, he's fighting the best guys in the world and he's smaller than them all. Many, many people are unhappy with the recent decisions that Frankie has received, and he's not a runner, he's a very intelligent fighter and I find him one of the most exciting fighters to watch in all of MMA.
I respect you opinion, Bresko, but mine about Frankie is quite the opposite. I think Frankie is a good fighter and all, but he relies on his cardio and that's it. If he is competing in the wrong categories, that should be his fault as well. He can't just run in circles to tire oppopnents and expect the decision in the end. His late cry baby faces in "disbelief" about these decisions made is for me.
Corageous, hard worker, great cardio, a general good fighter? Yes. Best p4p? Not even close.
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how do you define p4p? Frankie is a p4p beast if he's a natural BW going toe to toe with huge LWs like Bendo.

Bendo is the cloudiest champion, he's also huge for his division.

I think if Anderson and Bones both had the exact same frame, but they each kept their individual skills then Anderson would murder Bones. That = P4P IMO.
If we are using 'exact same frame' as a measure, then GSP would murder them all ... he's the more 'well rounded' of them all.

Between GSP, Jones, and Silva, in a 'theoretical' rating, and if they were all "naturally' in the same weight class, I would rate them, given their CURRENT skill sets, GSP, Jones, Silva ....

taking into consideration "body of work", I would rate it Silva, GSP, Jones ....

if just considering who could beat up whom in a open weight match, then it's Jones, Silva, GSP ...

if we are talking UFC 'super fights', then for Jones vs Silva I give a slight advantage to Jones (size, reach, weight)... GSP vs Silva I give a slight advantage to GSP (sick wrestling.)

All great fighters and great champs despite the perceived knocks some people want to lay on them.
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Anderson and GSP in the same frame? Shit dude think about Nick Diaz who has a much worse frame than GSP stuffing all those TDs in the 3rd. If that was a guy of Anderson's ability, the fight would have been finished in that round.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:55 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Between GSP, Jones, and Silva, in a 'theoretical' rating, and if they were all "naturally' in the same weight class, I would rate them, given their CURRENT skill sets, GSP, Jones, Silva ....
Don't know what you mean by "skill set" here.
Wrestling apart, how and where GSP is better than Anderson? Even Jones? Do they move in the octagon better than Anderson? Are their accuracy better? Are their BJJ better? Are their elusiviness, head movement or chin better? What about their abilities to surprise opponents with crafty crazy ninja moves? Better than Anderson's?

Anderson's skill set is undisputed.
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Yeah, GSP only hit 56% of his take down attempts against Diaz ... with the flue and an injured achilles. A fit and healthy GSP could take down Silva at least as easily as Sonnen did, and far less of a chance that Silva could come up with an effective defense against the shoot like he did for Sonnen II.

But sure, if GSP goes into his next fight and displays that his issues in the Diaz were not just health and injuries, then you're probably correct ... but that remains to be seen.
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Jones is one fight away from being the best in the world , no , I'm not talking about the "superfight'
I'm talking , about him beating Gus ... Gus is the best oponent right now for Jones ,and I don't think there's somebody else in any weight class that can beat Jones ..(ok maybe Cain) but still...

To Be honest i think jones will ruin Anderson , will beat him for 4 round and than TKO him ... Sry ,but ,their skill set are equaly but Jones its way stronger and better on the ground .. and i don't think that there's a way to beat Jon standing ... not even Machida could hurt him ... the only way i see it is by submission cuz he kinda panics when he's in deep waters ... but still its hard to submit Jones when he's droping those elbows on you ...
So like I said if jones gets past Gus , witch i think will be a great fight , going to a split decision cuz their styles match so well , and both fight so technical and they are best keeping the range and fighting close , and on the ground , You can call Jones best fighter in the world .


GSP will keep Hendriks down for 5 rounds , wouldn't give him the opportunity to land his left had ... GSP is way to smart .. I'm not a real GSP fan , I think he'll win.

I ******* love Pettis , I think its the most entertaining , and wellrounded fighter in UFC and but Aldo is a ******* maniac , I cant see Aldo lossing a fight, srsly I don't know why but I always see aldo winning every fight before it happens , the way he strikes looks brutal ...

I think this is one of those things that everybody cheer for the "underdog" , i personally don't , I think Weidman has a champ spirit and wants to be the best in the devision so bad and has the potential to be a champ , but not against Anderson ...
Silva is to good , not to good , he's the best in this sport ;he moves like nonother fighter , has the best reflexes , thinks the fight to well ,he capitalizes very well on opponent's tiniest mistakes, he rarely makes mistakes, and he can fuking take a punch and a beatdown ...
The only guy in the fight bussines that can beat Silva its Jones (not a Jones fan , infact I always want him to lose but..) Jones its a young guy who improves every day , now that is a lil bit older he got that champ spirit, he never gives up , he knows that he is better than everybody else , witch that will bite him in the ass in 1 or 2 years when he'll have hist first loss...we saw what happen with Rashad , he got to comfortable and now he's on a lossing streek , cuz he lost "the fire"...
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Don't know what you mean by "skill set" here.
Wrestling apart, how and where GSP is better than Anderson? Even Jones? Do they move in the octagon better than Anderson? Are their accuracy better? Are their BJJ better? Are their elusiviness, head movement or chin better? What about their abilities to surprise opponents with crafty crazy ninja moves? Better than Anderson's?

Anderson's skill set is undisputed.
I think GSP may not beat Silva or Jones in any of those other areas, but he is 'good enough' to not be seriously disadvantaged by the differences.

GSP controls where the fight takes place. If Sonnen could do that against Silva, then GSP certainly can as well. There is no contest when it comes to wrestling between Silva and GSP, GSP hands down.

In Striking, yes, Silva is the most accurate striker, and has by far the most power, but he's up against someone who is #1 Significant Strikes landed, Total strikes landed, and if you look at striking stats http://www.fightmetric.com/ufcrecords.php GSP shows up in more striking record categories than Silva (and owns the takedown/wrestling categories)... now that's not to say that he's a better striker than Silva, because he's not, but it does tend to suggest that striking is not as big a factor as some like to claim.
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I think GSP may not beat Silva or Jones in any of those other areas, but he is 'good enough' to not be seriously disadvantaged by the differences.

GSP controls where the fight takes place. If Sonnen could do that against Silva, then GSP certainly can as well. There is no contest when it comes to wrestling between Silva and GSP, GSP hands down.

In Striking, yes, Silva is the most accurate striker, and has by far the most power, but he's up against someone who is #1 Significant Strikes landed, Total strikes landed, and if you look at striking stats http://www.fightmetric.com/ufcrecords.php GSP shows up in more striking record categories than Silva (and owns the takedown/wrestling categories)... now that's not to say that he's a better striker than Silva, because he's not, but it does tend to suggest that striking is not as big a factor as some like to claim.
So what you are saying is GSP can't finish and Andy wrecks fools.
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