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Bigger upset Cro Cop or GSP?

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#1 ·
title says it all what are your thoughts
 
#7 ·
Cro Cop no doubt. at least in the way it happened. GSP slipped and got caught and besides everyone who has seen sera's fights knows he is scrappy and will get in the firing zone and let loose... upset very possible. but Cro Cop getting RHKO'd by a jui jitsu guy who is only considered top 20 made me want to blow chunks. GSP getting TK'd... not so devestating, but Cro Cop being KTFO'd and now sounding like he might be looking forward to retirement is heartbreaking.

you know those shirts that say 'listen to bob marley' well im gonna make a shirt that says 'Listen to Randy Couture'
 
#9 ·
WestCoastPoutin said:
GSP was a bigger upset. Gonzaga had a lot more tools to beat CC than mini-man Serra did to beat GSP
are you kidding me? Serra is a veteran, Gonzaga is a no name. CroCop is CroCop....who the hell is GSP??? What the hell makes GSP better than CroCop??? Because he's 1-1 with Hughes and "beat" BJ Penn?


The bigger upset was for sure CroCop...no question....not even close. CroCop getting KOed by a RHK in the first round...by a nobody...c'mon it's easy to see the bigger upset.
 
#10 ·
The bigger upset is definitely GSP Vs. Serra.

The more spectacular upset is definitely Crocop Vs. Gonzoga.
 
#11 ·
CRO COP - He was dominated on the ground plus I thought they were stood up by the ref very quickly as Gonzo was working and CC was eating elbows consistently. Fortunate for Gonzo they were.

Supposed to have great take-down defense and be EXPLOSIVE! Didn't see it.

I have to give CC an A+ for knee and ankle flexibility.
 
#13 ·
well heres my thoughts. before both fights i thought GSP and CC would win, and that didnt change until the fight, both fights were very different. Serras KO attack was pretty much the only attack of the match and it was so fast and i was like 'whoa' so up until that point i still thought GSP was gonna win so that was extremely suprising. however when the CC fight started, gonzaga caught his leg and took him down, i thought 'this is gonna be closer than i thought' but i still thought CC would ultimately win the fight so when the high kick landed i was probably just as amazed as i was when serra landed that TKO.

so i would say CCs loss is the bigger upset, because i really didnt think he was gonna lose at any point up until the kick, whereas i knew serra woul put up a fight and i just figured it would be closer.
 
#14 ·
hmmm...

WouldLuv2FightU said:
are you kidding me? Serra is a veteran, Gonzaga is a no name. CroCop is CroCop....who the hell is GSP??? What the hell makes GSP better than CroCop??? Because he's 1-1 with Hughes and "beat" BJ Penn?


The bigger upset was for sure CroCop...no question....not even close. CroCop getting KOed by a RHK in the first round...by a nobody...c'mon it's easy to see the bigger upset.

hmmm...can anyone say "nuthugger"..
 
#15 · (Edited)
-Rampage- said:
well heres my thoughts. before both fights i thought GSP and CC would win, and that didnt change until the fight, both fights were very different. Serras KO attack was pretty much the only attack of the match and it was so fast and i was like 'whoa' so up until that point i still thought GSP was gonna win so that was extremely suprising. however when the CC fight started, gonzaga caught his leg and took him down, i thought 'this is gonna be closer than i thought' but i still thought CC would ultimately win the fight so when the high kick landed i was probably just as amazed as i was when serra landed that TKO.

so i would say CCs loss is the bigger upset, because i really didnt think he was gonna lose at any point up until the kick, whereas i knew serra woul put up a fight and i just figured it would be closer.
I think the body weight advantage makes it a lot harder to stuff takedowns. When you're both 170 and a few pounds it's closer, but CC was outweighed by 18 lbs. Advantage Gonzaga. You could see it too, CC looked like a smaller man. That said, his one kick he landed was hard, he just should have thrown a bunch of leg kicks to soften up Gonzaga, might have gone differently. I have to say, I thought Gonzaga was going to give CC serious problems if they went to the floor, I was never convinced that CC had to win that one, like I thought with GSP. If CC went to LHW he could stuff takedowns a lot easier from guys his weight. Plus we could see CC versus Liddell, I'd love to see that!!! :thumbsup:

P.s. Props to Serra, that guy is one tough SOB underestimated by a lot of people including me. Eating some humble pie now!

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UFC 70 Weigh-In Results
Official weigh-in results for UFC 70 – Nations Collide, which will take place Saturday night at the MEN Arena in Manchester, England.

Main Event
Gabriel Gonzaga (243) vs Mirko Cro Cop (225)

Lyoto Machida (199) vs David Heath (205)
Elvis Sinosic (205) v Michael Bisping (204)
Fabricio Werdum (233) vs Andrei Arlovski (238)
Assuerio Silva (241) vs Cheick Kongo (229)

Matt Grice (155) vs Terry Etim (154)
Junior Assuncao (155) vs David Lee (155)
Victor Valimaki (203) vs Alessio Sakara (204)
Dennis Siver (167) v Jess Liaudin (168)
Edilberto Crocota (169) vs Paul Taylor (169)
 
#19 ·
If you go on "name value" GSP/Serra is the upset. The guy won a contraversial split of over Lytle who got owned by Hughes, who got owned by GSP. N00b logic but eh. Gonzaga was a up and commer and had a great chance of beating Cro Cop. Thing is he caught Mirko's leg kick, took the guy to the ground and pounded him and busted him up (this guy went the distance with Fedor's gnp). After a bs standup Mirko Cro Cop, gets ko'd brutally by a head kick, something he's made famous in mma, by a BJJ fighter. Gonzaga's win was far more shocking. We all knew Serra was heavy handed, but know one saw that head kick coming.
 
#21 ·
UFCfan610 said:
hmmm...can anyone say "nuthugger"..
What are you talking about?? What's nuthuggerish about my statement??

Look, there's no question CC was the bigger upset no matter how you break it down.

GSP is NOT that spectacular just because he beat Hughes 1 out of 2 fights. Serra is a veteran to the game and always improving. He also had like 6 months to prepare for 1 fight.

CroCop is the #2 HW in the world who just won the OWGP beating Wandy and Barnett horribly bad in the same night. He comes to the UFC, wins one fight decisively, and his name is still intact as the #2 HW in the world. A lot of people thought GSP was god, but some people didn't. However, almost EVERYONE saw CroCop running through the HW division for the most part. There were far less people counting CC out than there were GSP.

Everyone knew who Serra was, he's been in there with top competition before and always makes it to the decision. Nobody knows who Gonzaga was, except from his atrocious fight with Kevin Jordan known as the most boring fight in MMA history. He comes in and DOMINATES CroCop from start to finish. Mirko lands ONE effective strike the entire fight, and then gets the worst head kick KO in MMA history from a guy who is unknown, and thought to be not much more than a BJJ expert with heavy hands.....

IN THE FIRST ROUND HE DOMINATED FROM START TO FINISH, KNOCKED OUT THE K-1 LEGEND, #2 HEAVYWEIGHT OF THE WORLD, OWGP WINNER, IN THE FIRST ROUND, BY A HEAD KICK.....HIS OWN TRADEMARK MOVE!!

I don't see how there is any arguement over this. And I don't see what my opinion has to do with being a nuthugger.
 
#22 · (Edited)
WouldLuv2FightU said:
What are you talking about?? What's nuthuggerish about my statement??

Look, there's no question CC was the bigger upset no matter how you break it down.

GSP is NOT that spectacular just because he beat Hughes 1 out of 2 fights. Serra is a veteran to the game and always improving. He also had like 6 months to prepare for 1 fight.

CroCop is the #2 HW in the world who just won the OWGP beating Wandy and Barnett horribly bad in the same night. He comes to the UFC, wins one fight decisively, and his name is still intact as the #2 HW in the world. A lot of people thought GSP was god, but some people didn't. However, almost EVERYONE saw CroCop running through the HW division for the most part. There were far less people counting CC out than there were GSP.

Everyone knew who Serra was, he's been in there with top competition before and always makes it to the decision. Nobody knows who Gonzaga was, except from his atrocious fight with Kevin Jordan known as the most boring fight in MMA history. He comes in and DOMINATES CroCop from start to finish. Mirko lands ONE effective strike the entire fight, and then gets the worst head kick KO in MMA history from a guy who is unknown, and thought to be not much more than a BJJ expert with heavy hands.....

IN THE FIRST ROUND HE DOMINATED FROM START TO FINISH, KNOCKED OUT THE K-1 LEGEND, #2 HEAVYWEIGHT OF THE WORLD, OWGP WINNER, IN THE FIRST ROUND, BY A HEAD KICK.....HIS OWN TRADEMARK MOVE!!

I don't see how there is any arguement over this. And I don't see what my opinion has to do with being a nuthugger.
For me it was GSP probably because I had actually seen little of Cro Cop and I admit I wrongly underestimated the Terra Serra, but your argument has me convinced that logically Cro Cop was the biggest upset, based especially on the head kick finish, repped! :thumbsup:
 
#24 ·
WouldLuv2FightU said:
are you kidding me? Serra is a veteran, Gonzaga is a no name. CroCop is CroCop....who the hell is GSP??? What the hell makes GSP better than CroCop??? Because he's 1-1 with Hughes and "beat" BJ Penn?


The bigger upset was for sure CroCop...no question....not even close. CroCop getting KOed by a RHK in the first round...by a nobody...c'mon it's easy to see the bigger upset.

Gonzaga is a no name??? You dont know him so he's a no name?
Dude check up on this guy he gave nothing up to Cro cop except the striking...

But not last night!

Read what I wrote. GSP is a lot better than Serra
CC is not that much better than Gonzaga

Thats why I thought GSP was a bigger upset. As for the manor in which each one was KO'd. I guess you would be right. A RHK is pretty ****ing upsetting.
Still, I knew Gonzaga was a tough Mo'fo - way more of a challenge to CC than Serra ever would be to GSP
 
#25 · (Edited)
WestCoastPoutin said:
Gonzaga is a no name??? You dont know him so he's a no name?
Dude check up on this guy he gave nothing up to Cro cop except the striking...

But not last night!

Read what I wrote. GSP is a lot better than Serra
CC is not that much better than Gonzaga

Thats why I thought GSP was a bigger upset. As for the manor in which each one was KO'd. I guess you would be right. A RHK is pretty ****ing upsetting.
Still, I knew Gonzaga was a tough Mo'fo - way more of a challenge to CC than Serra ever would be to GSP
I knew Gonzaga was tough too. I'm not denying he had a decent shot. But just because you say GSP is a lot better than Serra doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion. My opinion has been that GSP is overrated since I first saw him. Yes, he is really good. But people make it seem like he is Fedor-like. I've known from the beginning his weakness was his standup, his chin, and his mental game. Those are huge weaknesses. And he never had them tested because he's never faced a good striker until BJ. And BJ proved I was right, and so did Serra.

I just think GSP was too overrated, but Gonzaga was too underrated by the majority, but still not as overrated as GSP was. And CroCop was a tad overrated, but not much. He has dozens more credentials than GSP does.

And yea, in comparison to GSP, CC, and Serra, Gonzaga was considered a "nobody" by MMA definition. He had no MMA credentials, no big wins, and a beginner's record. The term "nobody" isn't literal. It's not like I didn't believe he even existed before last night.
 
#26 ·
WouldLuv2FightU said:
I knew Gonzaga was tough too. I'm not denying he had a decent shot. But just because you say GSP is a lot better than Serra doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion. My opinion has been that GSP is overrated since I first saw him. Yes, he is really good. But people make it seem like he is Fedor-like. I've known from the beginning his weakness was his standup, his chin, and his mental game. Those are huge weaknesses. And he never had them tested because he's never faced a good striker until BJ. And BJ proved I was right, and so did Serra.

I just think GSP was too overrated, but Gonzaga was too underrated by the majority, but still not as overrated as GSP was. And CroCop was a tad overrated, but not much. He has dozens more credentials than GSP does.

And yea, in comparison to GSP, CC, and Serra, Gonzaga was considered a "nobody" by MMA definition. He had no MMA credentials, no big wins, and a beginner's record. The term "nobody" isn't literal. It's not like I didn't believe he even existed before last night.

In my books GSP was the bigger upset. Your books CC was the bigger upset.

Agree to disagree.
 
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