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Old 04-25-2007, 10:20 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Like I said, I know Dana manipulates things. You are right, Elvis wasn't supposed to win. Thats why the match was made in the first place. Dana figured Bisping would win it. The same reason Cro Cop was matched with a relative unknown, he shouldn't have lost and it gives him more time to adjust before he fights Couture. So to that extent he manipulates things, but theres no way he interfers in fights themselves.

As to the Kimura attempt, there was no escape to show, Elvis let go of it. Bisping was doing the right things to counter it or at least lessen its effects but he didn't escape it, Elvis simply let it go.
Exactly. He just let it go.
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:11 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Exactly. He just let it go.
He had to let it go ... he didn't have the gas left to finish bisping with it so why waste what little gas he's got going for a move he knew he couldn't finish. No conspiracy, a tired beat up fighter making actually a good decision.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:07 AM   #63 (permalink)
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I already adressed this. I tap out. You guys win. Bisping is the best fighter in the UFC.
Bisping is no where near being the best yet so dont be sarcastic, however at least he likes to stand and bang.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:42 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Bisping is no where near being the best yet so dont be sarcastic, however at least he likes to stand and bang.
the man needs to throw more elbows
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:45 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Bisping is no where near being the best yet so dont be sarcastic, however at least he likes to stand and bang.
He has potential. Im going to reserve judgement until I see him fight an opponent I think is good.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:50 AM   #66 (permalink)
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He had to let it go ... he didn't have the gas left to finish bisping with it so why waste what little gas he's got going for a move he knew he couldn't finish. No conspiracy, a tired beat up fighter making actually a good decision.
Look all Im saying is once you get the leg over the head, from that position it doesnt take much energy to finish it. So I just dont buy him being too tired. And I dont believe Bisping just powered out of it. I dont know why Sinosec let it go. But he did and he lost, it just seemed odd to me. I havnt been able to see the fight again since then. So maybe if I saw it a couple more times it would make more sense. At the time, it rubbed me wrong, they never showed again Bisping even in that position to see why Elvis let it go. So I got on here and asked if it seemed odd to anyone else. There are some guys on here tht agree, and there are some that dont. Im cool with that. A wise man once said "Opinions Are Like Assholes"
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I haven't seen this fight yet, but from what I heard and from my own experience (as I do train BJJ), whenever I have a kimura on, with my leg across their back cranking, there is no chance in hell I would let it go or even give my opponent a chance of escaping.
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I haven't seen this fight yet, but from what I heard and from my own experience (as I do train BJJ), whenever I have a kimura on, with my leg across their back cranking, there is no chance in hell I would let it go or even give my opponent a chance of escaping.
YES!! Thank you. I train too, and thats all I have been saying. Tired or not, if you got the leg over their head, yor back is straight so they ar up off the ground basically hanging from the Kimura, you dont need to do anything but twist. There really isnt any effort envolved, its technique and leverage. And Elvis is a Black Belt. So it seemed odd to me.

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