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post #11 of 40 (permalink) Old 05-13-2013, 11:57 AM
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The big difference between nowadays MMA in comparison to most of the sports you mentioned is that, in those sports an impact to the head is the accident itself and protection to the head as helmets are used to prevent serious damage in case of these accidental impacts.
In MMA, to hit the naked head is the goal and a shin bone will impact like a crowbar. Even with all the ongoing rules I see a ferocious legal debate whether someone dying from a kick to the unprotected head will be considered an "accident" as we all can see that possibility coming any day.
It's true but in mma's defence they could argue that if you were going ban a sport because of a head kick, then would you ban kickboxing, Mauy Tai, Karate, or any other combat sport that involved getting kicked in the head? Same can be said for any punch to the head.

Sure you can wear headgear, but from what I've heard they don't provide a lot of protection from brain shake and mostly just protects against cuts and bruises.

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I've often feared if it does happen it won't be from impact or an illegal move, which would be the worse case scenario. But rather, a fighter's heart giving out... It happens often enough to be scary to these super athletes, they're in the "best condition" in the world... when in reality, they're pushing their body harder than it can handle.
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It likely will happen, as pointed out and linked to there have already been 3 deaths in sanctioned MMA bouts and at least 6 more in unsanctioned bouts. The key will be how the UFC responds.

What they would need to do is admit this is a physically dangerous sport no different then any other dangerous sport. The media will try and hammer them and pick them apart over it and who knows the odd commission like Sweden might decide to ban MMA again or continue to not sanction it but as long as the UFC responds professionally then it shouldn't be a big issue.

The thing is that the fighters know the risks and are willing to accept them. There are rules in place to try and avoid serious injuries but the odd one still will happen.
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It's true but in mma's defence they could argue that if you were going ban a sport because of a head kick, then would you ban kickboxing, Mauy Tai, Karate, or any other combat sport that involved getting kicked in the head? Same can be said for any punch to the head.

Sure you can wear headgear, but from what I've heard they don't provide a lot of protection from brain shake and mostly just protects against cuts and bruises.
To ban it for good would be indeed an overreacting decision based on the freaking sh!t storm that would follow. The headgear you mentioned could be the response to keep it running, though. It can provide protection from more serious injuries than just cuts and bruises, like a skull fracture. The brain shake would still be present, of course, but at a lesser impact (cushion+skin)>(skin only). And of course, using any tpe of protection could soften the hearts of the critics as an indication someting has changed.


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Assuming the fact that Boxing has had what 16 deaths in ring since 1960 and they're still going strong-ish, I don't think UFC, MMA, would have too big an issue. Of course there would be an uproar about how MMA is too brutal to be legal, just like there have been several for Boxing. But, in the grand scheme of things, it'd be pretty much forgotten about in a fairly short time, just like everything else MMA-related.
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It's true but in mma's defence they could argue that if you were going ban a sport because of a head kick, then would you ban kickboxing, Mauy Tai, Karate, or any other combat sport that involved getting kicked in the head? Same can be said for any punch to the head.
Yes, they could argue that way, and indeed those combat sport have many critics already who would like to have them banned (professional boxing is not allowed in Norway and Island for example and was banned for several decades in Sweden until 2006. And it doesn't help MMA to point fingers at other combat sports. MMA particularly has the reputation of being overly brutal and barbaric due to its allowance of strikes on the ground. So MMA is in a much worse spot in the defense argumentation than other sports.

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I've often feared if it does happen it won't be from impact or an illegal move, which would be the worse case scenario. But rather, a fighter's heart giving out... It happens often enough to be scary to these super athletes, they're in the "best condition" in the world... when in reality, they're pushing their body harder than it can handle.
Yes, that's very much likely. High elite sports pushes the athletes LITERALLY to the limits of their bodies. And often professional athletes train when i.e. they have a cold or not fully recovered from a flew which puts their hearts at a high risk.
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And often professional athletes train when i.e. they have a cold or not fully recovered from a flew which puts their hearts at a high risk.
That is very true, but I wonder if this unfortune would happen to a Brazilian fighter, some around here would jump to say it's just another Brazilian BS excuse to die.


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I think its crazy to not think at some point its going to happen. One thing to remember with cage side doctors ambulances waiting and what not its extremely unlikely somebody would actually die in the octagon. Odds are very high that worst case scenario somebody dies a couple days later after being taken off life support. The UFC would absolutely have a plan for this and I am sure 100% know how they plane to handle it. Any high level sport involving head trauma is at some point gonna have it happen. Planes are going to crash at some point to and that is the risk of flying. Its a risk millions of people take everyday but its foolish to think it won't ever happen. Same level I mean freak things happen.




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Planes are going to crash at some point to and that is the risk of flying. Its a risk millions of people take everyday but its foolish to think it won't ever happen. Same level I mean freak things happen.
But this very example is not appropriate as in aviation the investment in new technologies, training and constant review of procedures makes travelling by planes the safest method. And although some accidents serve as learning opportunities to prevent others, many times improvements happen before something bad could occur. Plane accidents are rare. Freak accidents are very, very, very rare. Most of accidents will pass through some sort of operational error after going through countless safety barriers. The risk of getting killed or even injured in a plane travel can't never be compared to the risk of entering in an MMA fight.


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After reading and considering the OP... I cant help but sit here thinking, "Well... if somebody has to die, I hope its Ben Henderson."


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