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Old 05-14-2013, 06:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
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After reading and considering the OP... I cant help but sit here thinking, "Well... if somebody has to die, I hope its Ben Henderson."


Is that bad?
No dude, it's perfectly natural to think that
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:59 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I know in some live sports there were cases where a competitor died at the spot, but been carried away to the hospital as he was alive, so the show could go on and the "official" death pronounced somewhere else. I wonder if UFC team "greedy" would try to undercover something bad to save a packed card, specially if the tragedy would occur in a prelim.
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But this very example is not appropriate as in aviation the investment in new technologies, training and constant review of procedures makes travelling by planes the safest method. And although some accidents serve as learning opportunities to prevent others, many times improvements happen before something bad could occur. Plane accidents are rare. Freak accidents are very, very, very rare. Most of accidents will pass through some sort of operational error after going through countless safety barriers. The risk of getting killed or even injured in a plane travel can't never be compared to the risk of entering in an MMA fight.
And the Concorde crash in 2003 proved that a single crash could be enough to retire an airplane model which was in successful business use for over 30 years.
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And the Concorde crash in 2003 proved that a single crash could be enough to retire an airplane model which was in successful business use for over 30 years.
Main reason Concorde retired was because of increasing operating costs in a market that was being dominated by low cost flights. Also Airbus, whom maintain and supply parts for the aircraft, refused to continue maintaining and supplying it.
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Main reason Concorde retired was because of increasing operating costs in a market that was being dominated by low cost flights. Also Airbus, whom maintain and supply parts for the aircraft, refused to continue maintaining and supplying it.
Low cost flights have nothing to do with Concorde's retirement as it never targetted people who would buy low cost tickets. It's a first class only plane. There were also increases in maintainance costs, but the death blow was the crash. British aviation regulatory authority withdrew the flight licence until there were made changes in security constructions. And after the crash the number of passengers significantly dropped, because the Concorde had lost it's 100% safe flight nimbus. Rich people weren't willing anymore to pay the extra price those tickets costed, when there was apparently no advantage in safety.
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Low cost flights have nothing to do with Concorde's retirement as it never targetted people who would buy low cost tickets. It's a first class only plane. There were also increases in maintainance costs, but the death blow was the crash. British aviation regulatory authority withdrew the flight licence until there were made changes in security constructions. And after the crash the number of passengers significantly dropped, because the Concorde had lost it's 100% safe flight nimbus. Rich people weren't willing anymore to pay the extra price those tickets costed, when there was apparently no advantage in safety.
I disagree. The reasons Concorde crashed was through debris on the runway, so it could have happened to any aircraft. In fact I think the company that operated the plane that left the debris was sued.

Prior to that Concorde had a 100% saftey record, could Boeing say the same?

After 9/11 it was feared that Concorde could be prime target for terrorist attacks. Other factors include environmental pressure (Concorde used a lot of fuel) mounting fuel costs, the main supplier refusing to supply it and as you said a decrease in passengers.

It wasn't really one reason that stopped it from flying it was an accumulation of several reasons, financial and political.

Had the accident never happened, Concorde would have retired anyway. It might have delayed the inevitable for a year or 2, but it would have happened.
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a girl died playing rugby at the high school in my town. shocking and terrible but i feel like all violent sports will lead to an accidental death as you pointed oit. and as u said this will probably get blown out of proportion when it happens.

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I disagree. The reasons Concorde crashed was through debris on the runway, so it could have happened to any aircraft. In fact I think the company that operated the plane that left the debris was sued.

Prior to that Concorde had a 100% saftey record, could Boeing say the same?
Yes, it was debris from another airplane and could have happened to any airplane, but fear is not a rational thing. The crash wiped out the 100% safety record. Rich people who flew with the Concorde paid also for the 100% safety nimbus, but that was gone after the crash, no matter if it had anything to do with something that was in the hands of the Concorde constructors or not.
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Yes, it was debris from another airplane and could have happened to any airplane, but fear is not a rational thing. The crash wiped out the 100% safety record. Rich people who flew with the Concorde paid also for the 100% safety nimbus, but that was gone after the crash, no matter if it had anything to do with something that was in the hands of the Concorde constructors or not.
Yeah, but presumably these rich folk had to take there business elsewhere. So they'd be trading the Concorde Saftey record (which includes 1 crash that was not it's fault) for something else - a 747 maybe (which was a worse record than Concorde). It doesn't make sense.

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It was all down to Cost: The Airlines were not making back the money spent on the safety modifications and other upgrades, with some other big costs coming up (tens of millions, before any life extension programme), BA need to write off £84M now rather than £150M in 3 or 4 years. Air France wrote off a large sum of money too.

With the premium first class market non-existant post 9/11, there was no hope of paying back the modification cost to start with, forgetting about any further investment that was required to keep the aircraft in the air. Day to day the aircraft still broke even, but could no longer pay back any big expenditure items, so its days were numbered. It is a sad time, but the inevitable really only came forward a few years from the ends of its technical lifespan.
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And the Concorde crash in 2003 proved that a single crash could be enough to retire an airplane model which was in successful business use for over 30 years.
I know you elaborated (or corrected) after Spite's reply, which is spot on, btw, but this quote is very wrong. As in another aviation saying: "Forget about all known aerodynamics and physics laws. What makes an airplane to fly is money." The superb Concorde legacy was about to end anyway, due to rising costs to keep it flying. That was indeed a freak accident caused by FOD (Foreign Object Damage), nothing to scratch the airworthness of the plane that day.

I agree with you with the idea that fear is irrational and people will tend to avoid a proved safe activities when something crazy happens, like, how many people cancelled their holidays in Phuket and Phi Phi Islands followed the 2005 Tsunami and some swear they will never visit those places. C'mon, what is the probability that will happen at that level again exactly when you are there, based on previous occurrancies?
So, based on that, indeed, the question is: Would the UFC survive a freak accident during its initial climb? What would be the countermeasures to maintain the business?
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