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Okay. Seriously...Chael dominated the first round. The second was pretty much spent against the cage until Chael slipped like an idiot. Anderson didn't really put a beating on him...he beat him but hardly beat him like he did Forrest or Rich or pretty much anyone else he's fought in the UFC.

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Soon as Silva resisted Sonnen's initial attempt at a takedown in the 2nd you could feel that the tide was changing. Then Silva picked him apart. Sonnen losing composure in the face of adversity just sped up the process.

Doesn't matter, my point still stands. Jones has not fought a fighter near Silva's abilities before neither standing nor from his back. Jones has done a great job picking apart wrestlers or one dimensional old strikers. The only fighter somewhat close to Silva has been Machida but Machida has bigger holes then Silva does imo.
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^I disagree. Vitor is a hell of a striker, and he couldn't even come close to getting off against Jones.

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^I disagree. Vitor is a hell of a striker, and he couldn't even come close to getting off against Jones.
And we saw how good of a striker he was against Silva as well. Oh wait...
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^I disagree. Vitor is a hell of a striker, and he couldn't even come close to getting off against Jones.
To be fair, Vitor had a bad healed fracture in his hand against Jones. Everybody was crazy about how he didn't even try to use his hand speed until that was disclosed.


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To be fair, Vitor had a bad healed fracture in his hand against Jones. Everybody was crazy about how he didn't even try to use his hand speed until that was disclosed.
Was that ever actually confirmed? Or was it just something he said?

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And we saw how good of a striker he was against Silva as well. Oh wait...
I'm trying not to react negatively considering you're intent on baiting.

Silva is a striker leagues and bounds above everyone else in the UFC. Do you disagree?

Also, Vitor did pretty damn well until the front kick. Much better than anyone else intent on trading with the best striker in the ufc.

Vitor is a high level striker. Using the Silva fight to try and prove otherwise is a joke.

Edit: I just watched the fight again, and I'd even say Vitor was getting the better of the striking until the front kick. Who else intent on standing with Silva could make that claim?

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Was that ever actually confirmed? Or was it just something he said?
Well, all things we don't see with with our own eyes leave us only with words from the others anyway. So it's up to each one to believe or not.

Personally, I watched the fight live and I was crazy about Vitor not using his hands and I posted about that in real time, if I remember well. I don't have a reason not to believe in his word for this particular issue.

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Actually he broke his hand before the TUF finale against Wand (UFC 147)and apparently, the healing process was not good.


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I'm trying not to react negatively considering you're intent on baiting.

Silva is a striker leagues and bounds above everyone else in the UFC. Do you disagree?

Also, Vitor did pretty damn well until the front kick. Much better than anyone else intent on trading with the best striker in the ufc.

Vitor is a high level striker. Using the Silva fight to try and prove otherwise is a joke.

Edit: I just watched the fight again, and I'd even say Vitor was getting the better of the striking until the front kick. Who else intent on standing with Silva could make that claim?
See bolded which is exactly the point I am making. Jones has fought no one like Silva before. The closest he has fought are Machida and arguably Belfort, both of which gave Jones a little bit of trouble in their matches(Machida for striking and Belfort with submission attempt). Those 2 fights are pretty much the reason I think Silva has a legit chance at beating Jones if not being the favourite in that fight.

As for Silva vs Belfort, that fight was pretty lack lustre circling up until that kick, can't really draw any conclusions from it. Silva executed an amazing kick that a top level striker(better then Jones) couldn't see coming or react to though. He is simply just in a different league.

Honestly I think Silva wins a striking match with Belfort 9 times out of 10 but that is my opinion and irrelevant to my point. Too many people are writing Silva out of a fight with Jones just because he has the same size disadvantage that almost every other LHW also has against Jones.
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Well, all things we don't see with with our own eyes leave us only with words from the others anyway. So it's up to each one to believe or not.

Personally, I watched the fight live and I was crazy about Vitor not using his hands and I posted about that in real time, if I remember well. I don't have a reason not to believe in his word for this particular issue.

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Actually he broke his hand before the TUF finale against Wand (UFC 147)and apparently, the healing process was not good.
This is like the people that don't believe Silva was injured against Sonnen in their first fight. Lots of signs point to injury in both cases and yet people won't accept it because there wasn't a doctor stating it one way or another.

Jones is a great fighter but honestly I don't think he is as good as he is made up to be. Almost all his opponents are tailor made for his style(he is great against wrestlers) and the rest have been past their prime or lacking in some specific regard whereas Jones is pretty good all around.

This is one of the big reasons I want to see Jones fight Silva or at least Gustaffson instead of continuing to fight middle weights etc.

In Jones' defense he has pretty much wiped out the division(besides Gustaffson and perhaps Hendo), there just isn't that much other top talent at LHW right now. Time for some new blood to hopefully pop up or the division is going to get pretty boring.
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To be fair, Vitor had a bad healed fracture in his hand against Jones. Everybody was crazy about how he didn't even try to use his hand speed until that was disclosed.
Yeah i recall that. I was screaming at the TV for him to use his hands instead of throwing high kicks and going for the takedowns. Then when i found out his hand was injured it made complete sense. More then most things in MMA...

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