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The thing with Vitor is he was denied usage in the states but granted it in brazil. So if the top commission in the states says no go and a brand new commission where you are from says it is alright is that foul or not?
If the top commission says no and you use it, it is foul, but how come the top commission can't control that even overseas? It looks as simple as a line in the fight contract: "You gonna "want" to have your arse tested in Brazil, otherwise you're out..."


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Remember when dana said that if someone was banned in one place he wouldn't let them fight in another country or state in regards to chael and nick? vitor fighting in only brazil since he got in trt is another example of dana's bullshit.

Anyways weidman is the only one at 185 that has a decent shot against anderson, I don't see what people are seeing with vitor in a rematch, that wasn't a fluke kick, it was just one of anderson's many tricks and he would pull off a different one against vitor if they rematched.
Well I don't think he is banned from competing in the states he just can't use TRT if he wants to fight there. I am not 100% sure though.

I don't really care that much about his TRT use or his blatant roiding when he was younger before the sport tested. A lot of people have and continue to use roids and it is up to the people in charge to do something about it. I don't like the guy because I have seen him target the back of his opponents head. His roid raging on journalists doesn't exactly make him endearing either.

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If the top commission says no and you use it, it is foul, but how come the top commission can't control that even overseas? It looks as simple as a line in the fight contract: "You gonna "want" to have your arse tested in Brazil, otherwise you're out..."
The commissions only rule over their states though if something like a ban is brought down by one in the states the others usually respect it. Nevada has influence but it seems like the Brazil commission doesn't give a **** about what anyone else says. They can probably deny him a license over this.
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His jesus and crazy nonsense is annoying as well, also he was popped for actual roids back in the day as well. By all means give him anderson or lol jones again like he wants and see another mismatch beatdown from either. Dana said if you can't licensed in one state they won't let you go around one commissions back to go to another place to fight legally, but I guess that was an empty statement


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His jesus and crazy nonsense is annoying as well, also he was popped for actual roids back in the day as well. By all means give him anderson or lol jones again like he wants and see another mismatch beatdown from either. Dana said if you can't licensed in one state they won't let you go around one commissions back to go to another place to fight legally, but I guess that was an empty statement
Well can he not get a license or can he just not get a TRT exemption? There is a difference.
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Well I don't think he is banned from competing in the states he just can't use TRT if he wants to fight there. I am not 100% sure though.

I don't really care that much about his TRT use or his blatant roiding when he was younger before the sport tested. A lot of people have and continue to use roids and it is up to the people in charge to do something about it. I don't like the guy because I have seen him target the back of his opponents head. His roid raging on journalists doesn't exactly make him endearing either.
I just mentioned this in another Vitor thread but I think it's relevant here too.

Vitor made choices when he was a younger man, choices he can't change at this point in his life. These choices have very obviously caused a long term health concern.

Things were different back then, testing didn't exist in the UFC.... and not to mention steroids were really popular at the time; not just in the fight world.

I don't understand why he can't use TRT to bring his levels up to a natural state. He can't take back his choices, and in life he has to deal with them.... but if there is a legal solution to help him continue his professional career, I don't understand why he shouldn't be allowed to use them.

It seems simple to me, you want to use TRT.... you need to be subjected to a very tedious testing plan pre-fight. Not just one test... weekly tests to ensure you're keeping your levels in check. If he never surpasses 'normal levels' it's just like he was any other guy with out this issue at all.
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I just mentioned this in another Vitor thread but I think it's relevant here too.

Vitor made choices when he was a younger man, choices he can't change at this point in his life. These choices have very obviously caused a long term health concern.

Things were different back then, testing didn't exist in the UFC.... and not to mention steroids were really popular at the time; not just in the fight world.

I don't understand why he can't use TRT to bring his levels up to a natural state. He can't take back his choices, and in life he has to deal with them.... but if there is a legal solution to help him continue his professional career, I don't understand why he shouldn't be allowed to use them.

It seems simple to me, you want to use TRT.... you need to be subjected to a very tedious testing plan pre-fight. Not just one test... weekly tests to ensure you're keeping your levels in check. If he never surpasses 'normal levels' it's just like he was any other guy with out this issue at all.
Agree with all that and in another note: If a man can cut his hormones supplies to fight as a woman why another man can't replace his hormone levels to fight as a man?


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Well can he not get a license or can he just not get a TRT exemption? There is a difference.
I think it's just the trt, but I thought if you can't get a trt exemption but you still want to take it then you won't be licensed anyways.


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The commissions only rule over their states though if something like a ban is brought down by one in the states the others usually respect it. Nevada has influence but it seems like the Brazil commission doesn't give a **** about what anyone else says. They can probably deny him a license over this.
I got it, but that means the UFC doesn't give a **** about TRT as well isn't it? Otherwise they would take an administrative measure to guarantee the fighters would follow the TRT policies of the primary commission, like I said, forcing the fighter to take a test anywhere he is fighting via contract term.


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