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Old 05-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Many are Brazilian. Of the 8 men's divisions 3 are pure strikers really. Bones and Bendo are American but get many of their wins in striking matches. Cain is a wrestler, but just beat up JDS on the feet. GSP is Canadian and learned wrestling late.....yet he is probably the best wrestler and uses it the most of any champ to secure wins. It is called being well-rounded...not a wrestler.

I agree Wrestling is very important, but then why are so many Brazilians some of the best? Wrestling is defiantly not a big sport there. So why are the so successful?

Pride was a Japanese promotion. So if the UFC is built around American fighters doing American wrestling because it is an American promotion....then tell me why did Brazil and US dominate Pride??? Sure there were more Asian fighters there, but many were sideshows from Pro Wrestling, many were guys who they fed to the Wandys of the organization. So tell me why Japanese fighters didn't dominate the Japanese promotion?
I completely disagree that Americans dominated Pride, Brazilians yes absolutely, they still dominate the Americans today (UFC) despite a huge numerical disadvantage.
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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What is this babbling? So you are saying more kids in America know what MMA is and want to be MMA fighters? But in Asia that isn't exactly the case?

MMA was somewhat founded in Japan. MMA was WAAAAAAAY more popular in Japan in the 90s than it was in AMerica.

I don't buy your post at all.
MMA was more popular in Japan, years ago... Now it is dying, it has failed to evolve like the North American Style has(which is only really successful in the case of the UFC brand) and people have moved on.

In fact the only reason I think MMA was as popular in Japan as it once was is because of the somewhat pro wrestling attitude towards it. They used it more as a form of entertainment having freakshow fights, fancy entrances and even was thought to be corrupt and rigged in some cases.

MMA as a sport has advanced in leaps and bounds through the UFC but it hasn't taken over in countries that aren't directly affected by the UFC. Plain and simple it is because other countries don't care about it for the most part. Just like Canada and US suck at football(soccer) since they don't care enough about the sport to focus on it instead of American football and basketball etc.

There are lots of other good professional fighters in Asia but they decide to go into locally promoted styles of fights. In Thailand you have lots of very devastating Thai boxers for example. With training some of these guys could be great MMA fighters but why should they care about a sport that is non existent in their country? Why waste time learning how to wrestle if you have to leave your home and family to go fight in the US?

You also have to forget about the history of MMA coming from Asia. It is VERY different from what we see in the UFC today. Martial arts in its original forms were no where close to what the UFC uses and that is why most karate/kung fu fighters etc aren't successful in "MMA".
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:38 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Many of the better Brazilians train in America anyway. Yes Blackhouse is headquartered in Brazil, but they also have a gym or 2 in America.

Hmmm....I wonder why there are few top Asian MMA gyms when the sport was so well-excepted and big before the UFC was ever big? Hmmm...probably because they have few good fighters to start and teach at camps. Or simply focus on the wrong aspects of MMA.

Hmmm why does Brazil and America have the best camps? Probably because Brazilians and Americans have yearly had many of teh best fighters in the sport. Even back in PRIDE (A JAPANESE PROMOTION) Brazilians had guys like Arona, Nog, Wandy.....other than Sakuraba, where were the great Asian fighters???

It can't be "oh they have no good camps". Well why don't they? The sport of MMA was accepted well before it was in America. So why are they so behind?
Pre-UFC/PRIDE era was not really "Asian", it was almost Japanese only concerning Asian fighters. Japanese are often pretty conservative, you can see that in "traditional" dojos, so it takes them some time to adapt to the evolution/aspects which have proved to be of quite some importance, in particular in a cage and under unified rules (wrestling, weight cutting). In other Asian countries MMA never was big, just as it isn't big in South American countries outside Brasil. Also, professional sports don't have the same value in Asia as it has in America. Parents usually push their kids rather on a way where intellectual education leads them to a better life/success, whereas in America becoming an athlete is a much more accepted goal in life. So the talent pool for professional athletes stays rather restricted. But this may change with societies changing.

At the moment MMA is really on a low flame in Asia. The UFC is the only big promotion world wide, but airs almost all of its shows an American time, so it's hard to build interest in other countries.

And we should keep in mind that South Korea, where MMA is rather new, has more fighters in the UFC than Germany, France or other European countries other than the UK, where the UFC has been heavily promoting.
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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This was a discussion about genetics and Nationalities before the people yelling Racism turned it into a racism discussion. And for a Mod to do the same thing just shameful.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:19 PM   #35 (permalink)
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It has nothing to do with race.

There's a lot more interest in MMA in the US and Brazil which leads to more intense focus on training which leads to more successful fighters.

The same goes for many other sports/activities that are dominated by different groups.
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Many of the better Brazilians train in America anyway. Yes Blackhouse is headquartered in Brazil, but they also have a gym or 2 in America.

Hmmm....I wonder why there are few top Asian MMA gyms when the sport was so well-excepted and big before the UFC was ever big? Hmmm...probably because they have few good fighters to start and teach at camps. Or simply focus on the wrong aspects of MMA.

Hmmm why does Brazil and America have the best camps? Probably because Brazilians and Americans have yearly had many of teh best fighters in the sport. Even back in PRIDE (A JAPANESE PROMOTION) Brazilians had guys like Arona, Nog, Wandy.....other than Sakuraba, where were the great Asian fighters???

It can't be "oh they have no good camps". Well why don't they? The sport of MMA was accepted well before it was in America. So why are they so behind?
As far as Japan goes there are a couple issues. Rental space is super expensive if you want to live in a major city so the gyms are too small/don't retain enough quality trainers and they have an athletic culture that promotes training incredibly stupidly and end up destroying their athletes as kids because of it. I think Korea isn't chained down by these things and seems to be producing good fighters at a higher rate even though the sport is very young there.

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This was a discussion about genetics and Nationalities before the people yelling Racism turned it into a racism discussion. And for a Mod to do the same thing just shameful.
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This is a racist topic created by a racist. When accused of using confirmation bias to support his racist beliefs by me he responded by using confirmation bias and outright falsehoods to denigrate asians. My assertions have been proven correct.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:33 PM   #37 (permalink)
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lol guys I really was just wondering what everyone else though .. sure how the asians fight and there fighting style pisses me off quite a bit but that`s besides the point haha

I don`t wanna create any tensions in a forum as nice as this between anyone on here so if a mod is reading this I kindly request u to close this thread down if u don`t mind m8 thanx
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As far as Japan goes there are a couple issues. Rental space is super expensive if you want to live in a major city so the gyms are too small/don't retain enough quality trainers and they have an athletic culture that promotes training incredibly stupidly and end up destroying their athletes as kids because of it. I think Korea isn't chained down by these things and seems to be producing good fighters at a higher rate even though the sport is very young there.



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This is a racist topic created by a racist. When accused of using confirmation bias to support his racist beliefs by me he responded by using confirmation bias and outright falsehoods to denigrate asians. My assertions have been proven correct.
Actually since you want to act like you know what your talking about this has nothing to do with racism no one is saying that anyone is superior to Asians because of race. If anything it would be prejudice prejudging an entire race or putting stereo types on an entire race such as weak chins or whatever people have said. Its just dumb people jump in and start yelling racism when A... its not racism its if anything prejudice but its really not even that. Its more like other people have said better training/trainers from other countries where people do better. Everyones so quick to shout racism thats not even what this was or should have turned into and like I said the people who caused it to be that were the ones shouting racism in the first place. Its just dumb.
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