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Old 05-19-2013, 06:59 AM   #41 (permalink)
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btw: Lyoto is Asian and he wrecks shop and so is Bendo!
Machida and Bendo are both only half asian though, and they haven't even been raised in Asia so they are probably more Hispanic Brazilian / Black American than their asian sides.

Okami is probably the best and most consistent full asian mma fighter, one that has actually succeeded to a great extent in the UFC and outside of can-crushing at home. Like others have pointed out, a large factor is him training in America and cutting weight like western fighters do instead of essentially fighting guys a weight class above like the rest of them do.
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:04 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I completely disagree that Americans dominated Pride, Brazilians yes absolutely, they still dominate the Americans today (UFC) despite a huge numerical disadvantage.
Then who did. Yes, Americans didn't to the extent they do the UFC...but still easily 2nd in Pride behind Brazilians.

Mark Coleman was first open weight champ.

Hendo was only 2 div. champ.

Rampage.

Nick Diaz came over and beat Gomi who was Japan's best fighter at the time with Sakaraba 2nd.

Josh Barnett was damn good.

So what more do you want. Brazil dominated and U.S. was right there with top guys. Those 2 countries dominated PRIDE also. Not as much as the UFC today...but still were easily the top 2 in a JAPANESE PROMOTION.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:57 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Okami is probably the best and most consistent full asian mma fighter, one that has actually succeeded to a great extent in the UFC and outside of can-crushing at home. Like others have pointed out, a large factor is him training in America and cutting weight like western fighters do instead of essentially fighting guys a weight class above like the rest of them do.
That is a good point. Okami is one of the few fighters who decided to train abroad. If strikers never trained jiu jitsu or wrestling you better believe that they'll be submitted 90% of the times. In this day in age cross training is more crucial than ever.

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Old 05-19-2013, 07:49 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Clearly fighters from Europe, Australia, Russia, and Cuba are doing better than Asians in the UFC. Oh wait they aren't.

This sport is dominated by Brazil and the USA for the most part. The biggest reasons for that are superior training facilities and coaches and the integration of knowledge about weight cutting and athletic training along with a culture that fosters these things.

P.S. You are totally racist.

How many Russians are doing as well as Stungun, KZ, and Okami in the UFC? You have a preexisting bias towards asians and are using confirmation bias to justify a view that isn't supported by reality. Objective analysis won't lead anyone down the path you are on.
Nah, he's not a racist. Yes "Asians" is a very broad term and there are dozens of ethnicities that make up Asians. While there are indeed a lot of factors that explain why some ethnicities succeed at MMA and certain sports- access, popularity, nutrition, training etc, it's scientifically undeniable that there is a genetic component to success at certain sports.

Of the 100 fastest times ever recorded in the 100 meter dash, how many are of West African descent? Answer: 100. Ditto for cornerbacks in the NFL. 32 out of 32. How many Asians or Anglos? Zero. That's 0.00.

It's the 21st Century and it's ok to acknowledge the obvious, and it doesn't make someone racist. We're all a little different but who cares?
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Old 05-20-2013, 02:38 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I also think that one of the main reasons, Asian MMA fighters are not in the Top10 right now is the depth and the level of skill when it comes to the training camps in the US, Brazil and Canada.
On top of that, there is that infamous wrestling thing as well.
JapaneseMMA rules did not support wrestlers that much. They had knees to a grounded opponent which makes you think twice shooting and it also makes lay&pray that much harder when you eat a knee every few seconds
As most of us know, there were no elbows on the ground as well. I can only say I loved these rules and I hate the fact that we don't have them like this anymore. I mean obviously it makes sense for the UFC to have rules that favour wrestlers. There is a "unlimited" supply of talented possible UFC fighters, coming from a national wrestling background and the UFC doesn’t even have to spend a dime for this kind of training.

But yeah the Training camps for the most part in my book.
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I think one thing that has been largely ignored is culturally martial arts are a more mental and spiritual venture in Asian and they have judging by there fighters not embraces the athletic nature of it as much. If you look at the way they are built they may be in shape by normal standards but they hardly look like they are training as athletically as a Gsp or Jon Jones.


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Old 05-21-2013, 02:43 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Either way Japanese fighters have largely disappointing in the MMA realm. Can't say because no one knows what MMA is there, when they were basically the founders of it, and MMA was big in Japan before it was in the U.S.

No they haven't evolved to compete with high level fighters of today. It isn't because society there doesn't know the sport. They know it as well as any society in the world.

Japanese fighters for the most part just aren't as good as fighters from other parts of the world. Call it physical, mental, or spiritual differences. But they did not progress....unlike the Brazilians. Many BJJ champs and BJJ fighters have turned into well-rounded fighters. Jacre, Maia, Roger Gracie is improving, Bustamante, Werdum....and so on. They did not get stuck in a BJJ mindset. USA wrestlers also didn't get stuck in a one-dimensional Mark Coleman game. Guys like Weidman, Hendricks, Randy, DC, Maynard, Frankie and countless others didn't sit and rely on wrestling.
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USA wrestlers also didn't get stuck in a one-dimensional Mark Coleman game. Guys like Weidman, Hendricks, Randy, DC, Maynard, Frankie and countless others didn't sit and rely on wrestling.
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