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2kni3 05-18-2013 12:57 AM

Asians and MMA/UFC
 
I don`t want to say this without coming off as a racist or anything but I can`t deny what I am seeing and or just writing it off as a mere conceidence .. I`ve been watching some of RUFF Chinas MMA promotion fights and in almost every fight where they have an asian person against a non asian person .. mostly Brazilians they almost always lose .. I could barely find any fights if any that the asian person won .. don`t get too upset as I am really not trying to be a racist or anything but god DAM was I right or what ?!

we`ve seen supposedly ranked at the time #2 Hatsu Hioki come to the UFC and get destroyed by George roop only to have a BS split decision go in favor of him .. in which even he was shocked he got the decision .. sure u can write off his performance as jet lag or whatever but how much does jet lag really have to do with it ?! I've seen Americans and or Brazilians go to Japan or China when the UFC holds events there and perform just as well and beat the asians for the most part .

does anyone else think Genetics have a lot to do with it ?! cuz these Asians seem to get knocked out easily .. Like I could just see an american Jab them to the face and they and dive for a take down and get a boost of energy all of a sudden when they do get the taken down like they were on TRT or shet lol

420atalon 05-18-2013 01:17 AM

For the most part they just don't have the wrestling ability to compete at say the UFC level. That said there are some decent asian fighters including Hioki, Okami, Le, Akiyama, Kim, Gomi, Jung, Mizugaki and others outside of the UFC.

Unfortunately MMA seems to be withering up in Japan and has never been that big in other asian countries. If the UFC starts getting more involved we might see more guys get there but most of them will likely only get to the top level by coming to train in the States since they don't have the same skill of training partners etc available.

osmium 05-18-2013 01:30 AM

Clearly fighters from Europe, Australia, Russia, and Cuba are doing better than Asians in the UFC. Oh wait they aren't.

This sport is dominated by Brazil and the USA for the most part. The biggest reasons for that are superior training facilities and coaches and the integration of knowledge about weight cutting and athletic training along with a culture that fosters these things.

P.S. You are totally racist.

How many Russians are doing as well as Stungun, KZ, and Okami in the UFC? You have a preexisting bias towards asians and are using confirmation bias to justify a view that isn't supported by reality. Objective analysis won't lead anyone down the path you are on.

2kni3 05-18-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 420atalon (Post 2059114)
For the most part they just don't have the wrestling ability to compete at say the UFC level. That said there are some decent asian fighters including Hioki, Okami, Le, Akiyama, Kim, Gomi, Jung, Mizugaki and others outside of the UFC.

Unfortunately MMA seems to be withering up in Japan and has never been that big in other asian countries. If the UFC starts getting more involved we might see more guys get there but most of them will likely only get to the top level by coming to train in the States since they don't have the same skill of training partners etc available.

that explains some .. but still don't explain that chin though .. that chin is like on crack when they get hit lol

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Originally Posted by osmium (Post 2059138)
Clearly fighters from Europe, Australia, Russia, and Cuba are doing better than Asians in the UFC. Oh wait they aren't.

This sport is dominated by Brazil and the USA for the most part. The biggest reasons for that are superior training facilities and coaches and the integration of knowledge about weight cutting and athletic training along with a culture that fosters these things.

P.S. You are totally racist.

How many Russians are doing as well as Stungun, KZ, and Okami in the UFC? You have a preexisting bias towards asians and are using confirmation bias to justify a view that isn't supported by reality. Objective analysis won't lead anyone down the path you are on.

Rustan Khabilov , Khabib Nurmagomedov

Okami got KO'd by Tim boestch , KZ got KO'd by George roop and has yes to be tested against quality opposition

DHK got KO'D into lala land by Carlos Condit and has beaten nobody of revelence .

Kyung Ho Kang was suppose to be the bantamweight fighter out of Korea .. lost to Alex Cacares .. Hyung Gyu Lim was suppose to be the best welterweight in Korea .. was losing to Marcelo till he got that miracle come back KO

and these are supposedly the best of the best out of Asia

420atalon 05-18-2013 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 2kni3 (Post 2059146)
that explains some .. but still don't explain that chin though .. that chin is like on crack when they get hit lol

This is bordering on racism. There are asians with great chins, Akiyama and Gomi are a couple examples.

If you are talking about how some asian fighters will drop down to the ground at the slightest pressure then that is simply because of the difference between UFC and Japanese MMA rules and nothing to do with chins.

In Japan for example Aoki is allowed to bum scoot and just lay there until a fighter goes into his guard. In North American MMA it doesn't happen because the ref forces a fighter to stand up if the standing fighter wants them to get up. Aoki vs Melendez was a great example of what happens when a Japanese fighter that is used to fighting guys that are pretty much forced to go into your guard faces a good American fighter under US rules.

osmium 05-18-2013 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 2kni3 (Post 2059162)
Rustan Khabilov , Khabib Nurmagomedov

Okami got KO'd by Tim boestch , KZ got KO'd by George roop and has yes to be tested against quality opposition

DHK got KO'D into lala land by Carlos Condit and has beaten nobody of revelence .

Kyung Ho Kang was suppose to be the bantamweight fighter out of Korea .. lost to Alex Cacares .. Hyung Gyu Lim was suppose to be the best welterweight in Korea .. was losing to Marcelo till he got that miracle come back KO

and these are supposedly the best of the best out of Asia

Yeah two guys who have done nothing in the UFC have better records than Okami who has earned a title shot because a huge MW went berserk and caught him once, KZ hasn't beaten anyone even though he beat Poirier when he was supposed to be fighting for the belt and Hominick coming off of a title shot, and Stungun got knocked out by a top 5 WW so he is clearly garbage.

Yeah you clearly don't have racial biases clouding your judgement.

Life B Ez 05-18-2013 03:30 AM

This is very close to being closed and an infraction being handed out 2kni3. If you care to discuss Asian fighters please do so without any wide sweeping "genetic" statements.

DonRifle 05-18-2013 03:49 AM

You can't even mention different countries these days without being called racist.
The fact is genetically in asia, the far east anyway people are mostly smaller and lighter. Its evident in many sports, particularly soccer whereby asians have had difficulty competing on a physical level against stronger faster european, south americans, africans and so on. Only in one world cup did south korea do well and the referrees had a lot to do with that. This is despite a huge playing population and people being soccer mad. Even a big soccer fan would have trouble naming more then 5 successful asian footballers.
You can have the same discussion on sprinting. Are black people pre disposed to being better sprinters then white people? The BBC did a piece on it during the olympics discussing the idea that during the times of slavery 'only the strong survive', and the weaker slaves died off. This led to them developing physically over time to handle long hours of hard labour and translates into them become a physically more powerful race. Michael Johnson disagreed. But its hard to argue with results, when did a white guy last win the 100 meters?

Liddellianenko 05-18-2013 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DonRifle (Post 2059218)
You can't even mention different countries these days without being called racist.
The fact is genetically in asia, the far east anyway people are mostly smaller and lighter. Its evident in many sports, particularly soccer whereby asians have had difficulty competing on a physical level against stronger faster european, south americans, africans and so on. Only in one world cup did south korea do well and the referrees had a lot to do with that. This is despite a huge playing population and people being soccer mad. Even a big soccer fan would have trouble naming more then 5 successful asian footballers.
You can have the same discussion on sprinting. Are black people pre disposed to being better sprinters then white people? The BBC did a piece on it during the olympics discussing the idea that during the times of slavery 'only the strong survive', and the weaker slaves died off. This led to them developing physically over time to handle long hours of hard labour and translates into them become a physically more powerful race. Michael Johnson disagreed. But its hard to argue with results, when did a white guy last win the 100 meters?

I do agree that black people seem to be more athletic as a whole and it isn't necessarily racist as such to think it is to some extent genetic. I've seen black dudes that trained for a month leave other track and field guys training for years eating dust. There literally hasn't been a non-black sprinting winner at the olympics for decades, and 65% of the NFL and 85% of the NBA are black. To suggest that this is coincidence is a bit statistically ridiculous and I suspect people know they're just being politically correct when they say it ... 15% of the population is 65-85% of the team in sports that are equally popular in the entire population (what white american kid doesn't grow up playing basketball / football?). In a medical research paper, such an enormous statistical discrepancy would practically be gospel, entire theories and medicines work on just 5-10% statistical deviations, but in sports and demographics political correctness comes in.

It isn't to do with poverty either (more poorer people get into athletics than rich kids etc.), as there is poverty in plenty of other races all over the world but no others have such success at pure athletics.

I disagree that it is slavery that caused it though, otherwise how do you explain the same level of excellent athleticism from direct African black people (marathon runners from Ethiopia or Kenya for example) that never underwent slavery? The whole "slavery made them tough" theory just seems like people trying to look for a silver lining in a very dark cloud. Evolution that strong doesn't just take place in a handful of generations, no matter how much genocide happens to pick out the fit ones. This is classic horrifying Hitler / Eugenics line of thought. If it was true the Jews would be a master physical race after the centuries of slavery under the Egyptians and the more recent Holocaust.

I think the athleticism of black people has more to do with their tribal history than slavery. For most of human history, most African populations were tribal and relied entirely on pure physical prowess like hunting and warrior skills rather than technology and organized urban life (i.e. sitting on your ass) like the rest of the world. That right there would give them superior physical genetics over the millennia.

Anyway, for the original topic on Asians in MMA I don't think it's genetics as much as a lack of wrestling and weight cutting culture which are the bigger factors, but maybe genetics are involved who knows. Their being smaller and lighter on average as you said shouldn't be such a factor when everyone fights in their own weight class, it's not like people are throwing in 115 lb asian guys against the Lesnars and Overeems (well except for Minowaman).

Stun Gun 05-18-2013 08:55 AM

Asians rule

Quote:

Rustan Khabilov , Khabib Nurmagomedov

Okami got KO'd by Tim boestch , KZ got KO'd by George roop and has yes to be tested against quality opposition

DHK got KO'D into lala land by Carlos Condit and has beaten nobody of revelence .

Kyung Ho Kang was suppose to be the bantamweight fighter out of Korea .. lost to Alex Cacares .. Hyung Gyu Lim was suppose to be the best welterweight in Korea .. was losing to Marcelo till he got that miracle come back KO

and these are supposedly the best of the best out of Asia

Alright, let me start with Okami, the main has been ranked in the top 5 MWs in the world for a while, he has beaten most top ten MWs, he will never touch the title as long as Silva has it but he's a top 5 MW. And as for his loss to Tim, yeah he got Ko'd by a guy who did well to overwhelm Okami with strikes, POWERFUL strikes, Okami was dominating him until the 3rd.

Now on to KZ, the Roop KO was brutal, had Roop landed that kick on anyone at the weight class it probably would have KO'd them all, so no harm in that. KZ has a great chin maybe watch his other fights? And He is one of the best FWs right now, the man is a monster.

Onto Stun Gun, the man is a grappling beast, again he was KO'd by one of the best strikers in the division. He's beaten some tough guys, he could beat a few top tens if he was given the chance to fight them. Either way the man gives almost everyone but a couple a lot of trouble.

Kang is a monster, he lost a SD to a fairly tough guy in his first fight in the UFC. He will be back, and stronger watch.

Lim has never been considered the best Korean WW, that title belongs to DHK. Lim had troubles in the beginning with his timing, then he got his timing and landed the KO, not a freak KO.

And as for them not having chins..really? Seriously? Sexyama/Gomi that's all

So I say good day to you and your silly remarks


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