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Old 05-21-2013, 05:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Styles make fights. Vitor can look awesome knocking out everyone standing not named Anderson Silva, but put him back in there against the greatest striker in MMA history and he will get his head punted off in short order again.

Weidman on the other hand can look less impressive beating others with his wrestling, but he has a high chance of doing the same to Anderson, from what we've seen of Anderson in the past and Weidman's sub defense.

You are being biased in saying Weidman has only "decision-ed Maia" as if that's all he's done. He is 5-0 in the UFC, 9-0 overall, most of his other fights have been finishes and believe it or not Munoz was also on a tear and ranked top 5 when Weidman demolished him. He is undefeated, has shown no vulnerability, and hasn't yet fought or lost to Anderson. None of these things Vitor has on his side, who has never shown heart going past the first round. When Vitor's good he looks fantastic. When things don't go his way, he looks like crap. Selective highlighting can make anyone look better than anyone.

Sonnen is better at everything Weidman is good at? How about sub-defense? Does Weidman get triangled every third fight? Do you know what Sonnen + Sub defense in the first Anderson fight would mean? Champion.

And believe it or not, Weidman is a better wrestler than Sonnen. Sonnen has never beaten another top wrestler, in fact he just got tooled by one in the wrestling department, albeit a bigger one. Weidman has, in Munoz, an NCAA div-I champ. Even credentials wise, Sonnen may have been an Olympic benchwarmer but at the NCAA div-I level Weidman finished 3rd at his best while Sonnen finished 8th.

Lastly, even striking wise Weidman is better. That standing elbow on Munoz was timed so perfectly, and his striking has looked crisp in all his fights. Aside from a flukey knockdown on an injured Anderson (which was more an off-balance thing than a dazed knockdown), what has Sonnen ever accomplished striking in his entire 40 fight career? Absolutely nothing. Name one other KO, knockdown or even "rocking" someone he has had standing.

I think a more accurate statement would be Weidman is better at everything than Sonnen.
Sonnen is better at a couple things, keeping top control, and he is willing to take more risks but being so aggressive. But other than that I agree
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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i am the #1 vitor nuthugger ... but if i am being completely honest ... i think hes afraid of anderson

if he can come out with the kinda fire hes shown in his last 3-4 fights vrs As then thats one fight id love to see

but as it stands now i think anderson is in his head
Andy is definitely in the mans head; hell he was in it before he KOed him. If this fight happens I hope Andy pulls a Mayweather and demands blood testing just to **** with him even more.

I want Bones/Andy after Weidman gets knocked out though; let Vitor fight Jacare that is an interesting matchup we haven't seen.
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It'll be a competitive fight.

If not in Brazil, then I give vitor zero chance of beating Anderson.
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Vitor's recent record at Middleweight is very impressive, much more than Weidman's even. Clearly the Weidman fight is already happening, but it is not the one that interests me. Vitor is 5-1 at MW in the UFC since his return, finishing all 5 of his wins (4 tkos and 1 sub). Vitor finished Rockhold, Bisping, Johnson, and Akiyama since his last loss to Silva. All Weidman has done is decision Maia, who is now a WW and should have been all along, and finished the overrated Munoz.

This has been the worst string of championship fights in a long time in terms of competition, and also in terms of contenders deserving the title shot. Sonnen vs. Bones and GSP vs. Nick did not make a lot of sense, not matter who "wanted" the fight. Coming up we have Cain vs. Bigfoot II, as if the first beat down wasn't enough. This next title fight with Silva is not much different. People need something to latch on to and Weidman is it right now. The thing is I don't see much reason to believe Weidman will succeed where Sonnen failed. Sonnen is better at most of the things Weidman is good at.

I'm not here saying that Vitor is the next Silva killer. I am saying that once Weidman gets sent packing Vitor should have the next shot lined up. Assuming we keep getting strung along for Jones vs. Silva...
Don't agree. I have Anderson beating Weidman. But don't tell me Sonnen is better. Sonnen got sub'd the first time....Weidman will not get sub'd. Weidman is younger, maybe bigger, more athletic, much better versed in BJJ, and may have better stand up.

Vitor? Why? Vitor needs to fight in Brazil to be on TRT to look that good. They would not do the title fight there. They would do it in Vegas and Vitor does not have an exemption for TRT in the states.

Vitor off TRT is no where as good as Vitor on TRT. Anderson would mug him.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Weidman vs Silva is by far the most interesting title fight out there right now.

Of course, if Silva wins, you'll have all the soapboxers proudly proclaiming how they told us so. And vice-versa I guess. But right now, the fight hasn't happened. As it stands its a fight with lots of cool possibilities. I'm looking forward to it.

Vitor doesn't even sound like he wants the fight. He can probably still catch the aroma of Silvas toes on occasion.
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Styles make fights. Vitor can look awesome knocking out everyone standing not named Anderson Silva, but put him back in there against the greatest striker in MMA history and he will get his head punted off in short order again.

Weidman on the other hand can look less impressive beating others with his wrestling, but he has a high chance of doing the same to Anderson, from what we've seen of Anderson in the past and Weidman's sub defense.

You are being biased in saying Weidman has only "decision-ed Maia" as if that's all he's done. He is 5-0 in the UFC, 9-0 overall, most of his other fights have been finishes and believe it or not Munoz was also on a tear and ranked top 5 when Weidman demolished him. He is undefeated, has shown no vulnerability, and hasn't yet fought or lost to Anderson.
To be fair, Muñoz looked crap before the fight even started. He came from a layoff after a severe surgery and depression without giving the surgery really enough time to heal.

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None of these things Vitor has on his side, who has never shown heart going past the first round. When Vitor's good he looks fantastic. When things don't go his way, he looks like crap. Selective highlighting can make anyone look better than anyone.

Sonnen is better at everything Weidman is good at? How about sub-defense? Does Weidman get triangled every third fight? Do you know what Sonnen + Sub defense in the first Anderson fight would mean? Champion.

As an ADCC participant, Weidman's sub-defense may be better on paper, but who has he faced in MMA posing a submission threat (Maia doesn't count, that fight was when he still was in love with his sloppy kickboxing and even used his jits to stand up from a ground scramble instead of grapple attack Weidman). Sonnen's sub-losses came to BJJ blackbelts.

And believe it or not, Weidman is a better wrestler than Sonnen. Sonnen has never beaten another top wrestler, in fact he just got tooled by one in the wrestling department, albeit a bigger one. Weidman has, in Munoz, an NCAA div-I champ. Even credentials wise, Sonnen may have been an Olympic benchwarmer but at the NCAA div-I level Weidman finished 3rd at his best while Sonnen finished 8th.
I think it's hard to compare their wrestling as they both haven't faced many top MMA wrestlers. Jones has ragdolled almost everyone so far with his wresstling. Muñoz never was in that fight, and he has never really used that much of wrestling in MMA.


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Lastly, even striking wise Weidman is better. That standing elbow on Munoz was timed so perfectly, and his striking has looked crisp in all his fights. Aside from a flukey knockdown on an injured Anderson (which was more an off-balance thing than a dazed knockdown), what has Sonnen ever accomplished striking in his entire 40 fight career? Absolutely nothing. Name one other KO, knockdown or even "rocking" someone he has had standing.
Striking wise Weidman probably is better than Sonnen. In that aspect, Sonnen really isn't good. But still, Weidman's striking looked awful against Demian "windmill puncher" Maia. Granted, Weidman did cut a lot of weight in short time, but his striking didn't only look crap after some time an gassing, but right from start on.


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Weidman vs Silva is by far the most interesting title fight out there right now.

Of course, if Silva wins, you'll have all the soapboxers proudly proclaiming how they told us so. And vice-versa I guess. But right now, the fight hasn't happened. As it stands its a fight with lots of cool possibilities. I'm looking forward to it.

Vitor doesn't even sound like he wants the fight. He can probably still catch the aroma of Silvas toes on occasion.
Agree. Belfort sounded quite hesitant when asked about his next fight. This "it's not up to me, but to the fans and matchmakers" sounded quite different to before his Silva fight. Just as he wouldn't dare to challenge Silva again (and make him really angry this time).
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How about Vitor vs Mousasi? Mousasi said he wanted a top 5 guy if he dropped down and style wise that is an amazing fight.
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How about Vitor vs Mousasi? Mousasi said he wanted a top 5 guy if he dropped down and style wise that is an amazing fight.
Agree with this. But wish both would just stay at 205.

Vitor/Hendo again at 205 would be great as well.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:28 AM   #20 (permalink)
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If I could pluck any fight to make for Vitor right now, it would be Chael Sonnen. I would love to see Vitor take Chaels grind for 25 minutes... as much as I would love to see Chael get knocked the fook out or submitted again. And lets face it, those are the only possibilities and they all sound wonderful to me.
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