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Old 05-21-2013, 11:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Minor leagues is a terrible example.

This guy is a UFC fighter. It is more along the lines of A-Rod may make 40 mil a year. The benchwarmer that doesn't even play...and NO ONE COMES TO SEE....still makes a healthy living of a couple mill. And doesn't have all these expenses a low tier UFC fighter has...
No it isn't, because the UFC is not the ******* MLB.

On top of it, that guy's job is to fill a valuable roster spot as part of a team, just his sheer presence implies that he can typically play at a high level.



Cholish is just perennial prelim fodder.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:47 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Makes me wonder how many people, who are not fighters and don't fight during UFC cards, make more money then many of the guys who do fight at a given UFC card.
Even the lower end guys on the WSOF card got comparable money to the UFC counterparts.
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Fighting in the UFC = equals bum fighter........



Bingo we have a winner.





$4k to show $4k to win

I dont know how old you're but $4k to travel , train and pay coaches along with paying your bills from your living accommodation is not nearly enough especially if you fight once a year which is what he did since joining , this isnt UFC UNDISPUTED 3 career mode in which you only pay for coaches , in real life you have numerous bills to pay for.
Then I suggest he fight more....and better yet actually start winning some fights in impressive fashion.


He didn't so he quit and went back to his day job. A rather natural aspect of prizefighting.


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Even the lower end guys on the WSOF card got comparable money to the UFC counterparts.
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/11/4/35...h-60000-payday
This isn't a regional company, it's an upstart national company that will likely be bankrupt soon.
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i dont think this guy was complaining as much as admitting to himself "ya know, Im never gonna be champion, im never going to make GSP money in this business, so Im going to hang it up now and do something that I make more money at". and thats not crazy. ive left jobs for better paying ones.

and I like what Chael said even though he wasnt talking about it in this context when he said "this is a volunteer army". no one is forced to work for the UFC. no one is forcing these guys. the bottom tiered guys just get a little piece of the pie and a CHANCE. not only that, but having 1 fight in the UFC can change a lot of other things. you open a gym and say you are a "UFC Veteran", people will pay twice as much to train with you.

in closing, no sympathy from me. these guys aren't slaves. if they are passionate and hard working and able, they'll take the bumps in the road and work their way up. if they cant go up, they should be smart like this guy and do something else that pays off better for them.
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No it isn't, because the UFC is not the ******* MLB.

On top of it, that guy's job is to fill a valuable roster spot as part of a team, just his sheer presence implies that he can typically play at a high level.



Cholish is just perennial prelim fodder.
Never said it was as big as MLB dipshit.

But when you compare a MLBer to a minor leaguer, it is 2 different arenas. 2 different leagues.

This guy fights in the UFC the same night and place as the very best that do it. It in no way is the same thing as comparing Jeter to a guy who is playing at noon at some small ball park in Des Moines Iowa.

The guy that sits the bench could get 10 at bats all year. No one comes to see him. A point that was tried to be made several times here "BUT NO ONE COMES TO SEE THIS FIGHTER!"

Either way 4k is a joke. I have made close to that in one weekend of betting MMA before. This guy has to train for a couple months then go get hit in the face repeatedly to earn it. Not saying fighters on prelims should make a bunch. But fock, 4k? That's a joke. The UFC is bigger than that.
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Cholish is going for the fame during his departure that he never got while fighting. These types of comments will give him a buzz for the week after the fight and then heíll be back to what he was, or more precisely, what he now is which is a unemployed mid carder who never went far in the big league.

UFC puts him on two televised shows so why was he not working towards some sponsorship? He was given opportunities most can only dream of, that he didnít make the paydays he expected falls entirely on him not UFC.

Iím with ROLF, 3D Lee and the rest that say he needed to manage his finances better when training. MMA junkie has a story on Cowboy Cerrone on what itís like to make bonuses while fighting, a shame that Cholish didnít read that article and take it to heart instead he announces heís retiring before the fight even begins. That mentality will win neither bonuses nor fights.
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Honestly fighters are becoming a dime a dozen... I don't see aspiring fighters having any more right to complain than aspiring actors... You get a two bit part you get two bit pay. Bus tables or something to make the world go around. I like the sense of desperation of new blood coming into the UFC desperately trying to land those bonuses; it makes for exciting fights. Get a few wins and the funds start flowing. Don't, maybe time for a different career.
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Honestly fighters are becoming a dime a dozen... I don't see aspiring fighters having any more right to complain than aspiring actors... You get a two bit part you get two bit pay. Bus tables or something to make the world go around. I like the sense of desperation of new blood coming into the UFC desperately trying to land those bonuses; it makes for exciting fights. Get a few wins and the funds start flowing. Don't, maybe time for a different career.
Although I am on the other side a bit. I guess you stated it well and I agree.

But perhaps, this low ass base pay will turn would be fighters off enough to not pursue the career in the first place. Never going to get the best athletes you can, when your base pay is 4k for a cage fight...net maybe 2k after the training and coaches. Perhaps it is because of the nature of the sport and getting punched in the face. But 4k for a cage fight in the biggest promotion MMA has ever seen by far....seems a little ridiculous. Not saying they need to make a bunch. But hell, can the UFC not afford 7,500 to show for a guy like that? A guy on a 4/4 base pay is looking at 24,000 yearly salary if he fights 3 times and wins them all.
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They should also make money from sponsors and such. Any time athlete pay seems unreasonably low I try to keep in mind how much teachers, soldiers, first responders (Fire/Police/EMT) make a year and suddenly those athletes seem fairly compensated.

If you consider that he fights and wins three times in a year that's roughly three eight-to-ten week camps which equates to 30 weeks on the high end. For averages sake that's them working half a year. So if they sacked groceries for minimum wage the other 22 weeks a year they'd bring in another $6.3k.

That's roughly 30k a year for being a non-draw athlete and grocery sacker, not accounting for money made by sponsorships nor costs of training/coaching.

That's still more than many new teachers make who are also dealing with paying for their training (college loans). It is about the same as a starting police officer who works shitty hours in a dangerous profession.
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Never said it was as big as MLB dipshit.

But when you compare a MLBer to a minor leaguer, it is 2 different arenas. 2 different leagues.

This guy fights in the UFC the same night and place as the very best that do it. It in no way is the same thing as comparing Jeter to a guy who is playing at noon at some small ball park in Des Moines Iowa.

The guy that sits the bench could get 10 at bats all year. No one comes to see him. A point that was tried to be made several times here "BUT NO ONE COMES TO SEE THIS FIGHTER!"

Either way 4k is a joke. I have made close to that in one weekend of betting MMA before. This guy has to train for a couple months then go get hit in the face repeatedly to earn it. Not saying fighters on prelims should make a bunch. But fock, 4k? That's a joke. The UFC is bigger than that.
People in minor leagues are generally drafted by MLB teams and left to develop at a low cost, it is extremely similar to a UFC prelim.

The amount of money he makes is based on market value, a guy like Cholish had next to no market value before fighting for the UFC.

Perhaps now being a UFC vet he could fight for WSOF for 6/6 or whatever.



Secondly the idea that you are somehow going to miss out on studs because they will be too turned off by low prelim pay is a joke.

You think a guy like Henry Cejudo just jumped into MMA thinking "Man I sure hope I don't get relegated to a long career of making 8/8!"

These guys know they have talent and are looking at holding belts. Not just making good money.
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