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Old 05-22-2013, 08:05 AM   #41 (permalink)
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They have a list of approved sponsors they can go to. Again they own the broadcast and the event they are sharing their advertisement money with the fighters in order to help them out. They could not let them get that money and cover them in advertisers that only pay the UFC if they wanted to.

If you want numbers look them up yourself. Try getting information on preunion minor league baseball salary compared to its major league counterpart because that would be the equivalent to what we are talking about. Or just pre 90s since players weren't making shit in prosports until the late 80s for the most part. What allows them to even pay what they do to athletes now are massive national tv contracts combined with local tv contracts for every team. The UFC doesn't have anything close to that kind of stable revenue stream. Hell go look up boxing pay for guys who get on tv but aren't names it is totally random and 4-10k isn't unheard of and that is before their thieving managers take 35%.
Just cause they could does not mean ANYTHING.

They could pay them 200 bucks or 50k. Your right they could not allow people to put sponsors on their shorts. That does not mean that them allowing it is some kind of awesome nice thing for them to do. They get paid from the sponsors just as the fighters do.

You realize the reason they become unionized is because the people realize that the company itself is not paying them what they should. Its because people disagreed with what was going on.

And thats your reasoning for why you dont think the pay should be changed??? Basically "It could be worse so be happy and shut up"???

Come on now...

Things can always be worse. That does not make the current state good.

I know boxing pays their bottom feeders basically nothing. But if you want to go that route then compare the payout for a boxing fight card and a UFC fight card. Sure the boxing lower tier guys make less but the total pay out is still alot higher. No one is asking about giving everyone 100k per fight. But 12k to show 12k to win would be a huge upgrade and certainly not dry the UFC out.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:40 AM   #42 (permalink)
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No he said if you want to take more than just your trainer and want more than one hotel room it has to come out of your own pocket.
I am really impressed by this. Only one room? I ask because for every single layover, airlines pay good hotels for the whole crew and that could go from 5 to maybe 20 separate rooms, depending on the plane, hundreds of crews, everyday.
So, comparing the short revenue of a single flight day of an airline with the huge UFC incoming for an event, one single room looks cheap from their part.
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I am really impressed by this. Only one room? I ask because for every single layover, airlines pay good hotels for the whole crew and that could go from 5 to maybe 20 separate rooms, depending on the plane, hundreds of crews, everyday.
So, comparing the short revenue of a single flight day of an airline with the huge UFC incoming for an event, one single room looks cheap from their part.
Well yeah but its the responsibility of the airline to look after their staff when they are away from home, generally speaking they are employed by the airline.

Fighters crews are not paid by the UFC, they are paid by the fighter. I very much doubt airlines would start giving free flights and hotel rooms to friends and relatives of the pilots and cabin crews.
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I'm with Rofl here. You can't really bitch about my your own money management. Cholish is obviously talking as someone with a cushy brokerage job as well as doing mma.

Cholish is at the bottom of the UFC's payscale but still if he fought 3 times a year and only won once he would make $16000 (plus at least the same again in sponsorship) add any locker room bonus and you end up with a salary of just over $40,000 a year... The same as your average firefighter and more than your average cop!

The problem here is the idea that every professional sportsman, regardless of standard deserved to earn the big bucks and that simply isn't true. You want money then be successful!
You're forgotten one key element to this.... firefighters and cops don't spend thousands of dollars a year on trainers.

I honestly can see his point. Between managers, trainers, a healthy diet and travel expenses... I can see where $4k to show doesn't get you very much.

I'm not saying he deserves more, but I can very easily see where a fighter at this level is barely scrapping by.
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So..., this guy lost money because he had to fly his entire entourage, and it's the UFC's fault? From what I've read, UFC pays for the fighter and head coach. UFC pays for the minimum, much like every job I've had that sent me on the road full time. Now that I think about it, I shoulda cried to my employers for not paying per diem for my girlfriend, her girlfriend and 4 or 5 drinking buddies?
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Well yeah but its the responsibility of the airline to look after their staff when they are away from home, generally speaking they are employed by the airline. Fighters crews are not paid by the UFC, they are paid by the fighter.
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I very much doubt airlines would start giving free flights and hotel rooms to friends and relatives of the pilots and cabin crews.
There were some that would do very close to that, but for some reason, they went out of business.
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I very much doubt airlines would start giving free flights and hotel rooms to friends and relatives of the pilots and cabin crews.
Not free flights, but for example Lufthansa grants direct relatives (parents, siblings, spouses, children) of their staff (not only flight crew, but also ground crew) flights for 25% of the regular price.
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