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Mir 21 32.31%
Barnett 44 67.69%
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post #111 of 120 (permalink) Old 06-26-2013, 09:36 AM
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JohnnyG is correct. Barnett can beat Mir on the feet or he can hold him on the ground and beat him up while avoiding submissions. If Mir gets too battered from the GnP he might end up being choked out in a head and arm.

I really see Mir standing about a 6% chance in this fight and I will be betting my 160 million+ credits all on this fight.







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post #112 of 120 (permalink) Old 06-26-2013, 09:45 AM
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I think a lot of people are leaving out something we know about both men: They can very easily come in and under perform. Both men are known for sort of 'calling it in' for certain fights. The reason behind it? I dunno. Bad weight cut, personal drama, who cares?

If they both show up then I think Barnett will probably decision Mir, but I won't bet anything on this fight because of the fact that both fighters have a history of inconsistency.
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I feel we have a lot of UFC fanboys trying to hold onto Mir's career.
As opposed to what maybe Pride fan boys holding on to Josh because that was the last time he did anything relevant.

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Mir's reverse Kimura win over Nog has really clouded people's judement. Yes he is dangerous with subs. But before that...look at his sub wins over the last few years. He rocked Kongo then choked him out...easy sub. He kneebar'd the Greenest fighter in UFC history in Lesnar. Who gave him a leg. He sub'd Hardonk....a kickboxer.
Because those are obviously worse than subs over fighters we have never heard of, and one dimensional strikers. Even green Lesnar had better sub defense than Brett Rogers.
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If Nog just keep GnPing to victory, no one is this crazy about Mir's subs over kickboxers and a WWE star. And Mir's striking is terrible. He got straight LIT UP by Nog last time they fought with ZERO head movement.
Barnett also has no head movement and is rather robotic and stiff.
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Barnett can out last Mir, he could take him down and do work, he could beat him on the feet. Hell he can easily hold Mir against the cage, as Mir sucks in that position. Barnett has a much better chin as well.
The fact your banking on him outlasting Mir basically implies to me that you feel Mir is better.
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Cardio/Chin means a ton in a HW fight. And people are underestimating catch wrestling in favor of the flashier BJJ of Mir. People seem to forget Sakaraba using catch sub'd Gracie's. Catch wrestling is more useful in MMA than BJJ is. Not sure why people under-estimate Josh's skills on the ground. They see some amazing bone snapping subs from Mir and they get all giddy like a 12 year old.

Mir will not sub Josh. Take it to the bank. And being on bottom doesn't win fights.
Chin means more when your opponent has real knock out power something Josh has not really showed ever. I am not underrating catch wrestling I am just not impressed by the ability to control and pound out or submit complete scrubs.




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Because those are obviously worse than subs over fighters we have never heard of, and one dimensional strikers. Even green Lesnar had better sub defense than Brett Rogers.
Barnett also has no head movement and is rather robotic and stiff.
The fact your banking on him outlasting Mir basically implies to me that you feel Mir is better.


Chin means more when your opponent has real knock out power something Josh has not really showed ever. I am not underrating catch wrestling I am just not impressed by the ability to control and pound out or submit complete scrubs.
I didn't say Barnett would sub Mir. You seem to think subs are all that constitutes grappling. Who cares who's subs are better? Fact is both have more than enough knowledge to stay out of others subs. And Barnett is much better at being on top and control. Along with a decent pace that Mir cannot match. So in any sort of grappling exchange, I favor Barnett. Barnett has just as much knowledge of the ground game as Mir. And he would be the one on top.

Banking on him outlast Mir? As I said, I feel Barnett can out-strike Mir who I feel is vastly overrated standing. I feel he can win in clinch scenarios against teh cage. I said I think he can take Mir down and control/GnP/stay out of subs. Or I could simply see him outlasting Mir and totally dominating him in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, because Barnett in my eyes can dig much deeper than Mir. Where as Mir gives up when the going gets tough.

Barnett can win in a number of ways as I have said. I favor Barnett in every aspect other than pure BJJ subs/off his back. And their striking is a wash basically. But I would favor Barnett standing since he is tougher, has a better chin, and doesn't quit. Mir looked horrible vs. Nog until that sub.

Should be a fun fight anyway.
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I didn't say Barnett would sub Mir. You seem to think subs are all that constitutes grappling. Who cares who's subs are better? Fact is both have more than enough knowledge to stay out of others subs. And Barnett is much better at being on top and control. Along with a decent pace that Mir cannot match. So in any sort of grappling exchange, I favor Barnett. Barnett has just as much knowledge of the ground game as Mir. And he would be the one on top.

Banking on him outlast Mir? As I said, I feel Barnett can out-strike Mir who I feel is vastly overrated standing. I feel he can win in clinch scenarios against teh cage. I said I think he can take Mir down and control/GnP/stay out of subs. Or I could simply see him outlasting Mir and totally dominating him in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, because Barnett in my eyes can dig much deeper than Mir. Where as Mir gives up when the going gets tough.

Barnett can win in a number of ways as I have said. I favor Barnett in every aspect other than pure BJJ subs/off his back. And their striking is a wash basically. But I would favor Barnett standing since he is tougher, has a better chin, and doesn't quit. Mir looked horrible vs. Nog until that sub.

Should be a fun fight anyway.
So Nog was dominating Mir till he came back but Mir quits when the going gets tough? You do realize the contradiction there right?


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So Nog was dominating Mir till he came back but Mir quits when the going gets tough? You do realize the contradiction there right?
That was impressive and shocking as hell. But he has quit or simply accepted losing far more times.

Just last fight for DC. He felt outmatched. Yet tried nothing different, just letting himself get backed up and beat on. As if he just accepted the fact that DC was better. People raved about him and Greg Jackson teaming up. Yet in the end he just conceded defeat with no apparent gameplan.
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Don't see how Mir beats Barnett. People seem to forget Barnett went 5 hard rounds with Cormier who just beat Mir's ass.
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Barnett looked worse against Cormier than Mir did...

Head-butting fists and KOing the air is not effective striking.
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Don't see how Mir beats Barnett. People seem to forget Barnett went 5 hard rounds with Cormier who just beat Mir's ass.
I know man, its almost like most people dismiss mma math or something
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This fight could really go either way. I voted for Josh because Pride Never Die! That, and I think his catch wrestling credentials are being overlooked. Dude was very close to subbing Big Nog in the open weight tourney(years ago I know...) and can take a decent ass whooping. Mir is still a threat but I felt like Josh had the slight edge.
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