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Old 06-13-2013, 04:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No it doesn't, guys using TRT to get normal hormonal levels is not the same thing as fighters roiding up for a training camp. One is cheating and the other is a policy you don't agree with. This is a political issue, The Commissions don't want to work, they don't want to deal with science so you discredit any fighter that does something that a layman doesn't agree with.
Artificially raising your Test levels is only a step down from full on roiding for a training camp. You are giving yourself an artificial edge, you would not have had without the drugs. You can say that it only raises you Test levels to that of a normal person but in truth, they wouldn't have low Test if they hadn't abused steroids in the past so it is their own fault.

Name me one other sport where artificially enhancing your body though TRT is permitted.
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Lifting and Boxing both allow TRT, I don't know of any sport that specifically says you can't engage in that legal program. As most of the major sports league focus on the actual drugs not the legal programs.

Also you know what that "step down" from roiding is also called....

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Lifting and Boxing both allow TRT, I don't know of any sport that specifically says you can't engage in that legal program. As most of the major sports league focus on the actual drugs not the legal programs.

Also you know what that "step down" from roiding is also called....

cheating
Which is exactly what i've been saying this whole time...
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As much as I dont like TRT, ive just noticed an interesting statistic. Apparently, without any previous abuse, 1% of males are likely to have low testosterone levels. The UFC has around 400 fighters of which around 5 are on TRT. So as much as I *want* to believe all the TRT users only need it because of previous steroid abuse, the statistics tell me that's not necessarily the case.

I dont like the above, but it is what it is.

Anyway, as far as Hendo is concerned hes still an old cheating c*unt.
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I still don't know why someone would want to get a full camp used to a tunned up body to get to the real fight feeling like a spark plug is misfiring. Why don't train the way your body will perform fight night the whole time and then be aware about how much pace and strength you can implement in the match far in advance. It's like training to race in a car featuring drag tires to participate in an event where only radials will be allowed. Or as they say in aviation: "Train like you fly. Fly like you train."

The TRT cheating aspect comes purely from the comission allowing it or not.
Random test fighters to check their levels are normal an forget if they are on TRT or not. Normal levels is all that matters. I think it is as simple as this.
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The effects of steroids and their benefits for training don't end when you cycle them off.

The ability to train more/recover from injuries quicker etc etc are massive bonuses to using steroids, and also Any strength/speed gains will still be there come fight night.
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The effects of steroids and their benefits for training don't end when you cycle them off.

The ability to train more/recover from injuries quicker etc etc are massive bonuses to using steroids, and also Any strength/speed gains will still be there come fight night.
If levels are above normal, it's not TRT. The "R" means "replacement". Anything higher than that is "roiding" or blatant cheating. However, if levels are normal during the whole time, the abilities you mentioned should be equal to a person not needing TRT, right? So random tests would be enough to grant they are not over using it, therefore going out of the scope of a Replacement Therapy. Hell, diabetics are more than often having daily blood tests. I am sure they can easily control fighters.
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As much as I dont like TRT, ive just noticed an interesting statistic. Apparently, without any previous abuse, 1% of males are likely to have low testosterone levels. The UFC has around 400 fighters of which around 5 are on TRT. So as much as I *want* to believe all the TRT users only need it because of previous steroid abuse, the statistics tell me that's not necessarily the case.

I dont like the above, but it is what it is.

Anyway, as far as Hendo is concerned hes still an old cheating c*unt.
Where are you getting that statistic? Are we talking about people who have congenitally low levels from youth? Because as far as I know every fighter that is currently on TRT didn't get on it until well into their UFC career, and I somehow doubt they could make their way into the UFC, beating world-class opponents, with low enough T levels to qualify for TRT. They all seem to come down with it later.
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What kind of cheater encourages his employer to deploy more tactics to catch actual cheaters, similar to those said cheater is routinely subject to and never is out of compliance of? That doesn't make much sense.
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