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Old 06-19-2013, 07:28 AM   #61 (permalink)
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You know this debate over Munoz is missing a big piece. It's not really how good mark ever has been or is. Its that Weidman rag dolled him like a child, using pretty much pure wrestling in the first round. And do you know who taught Anderson Silva how to wrestle? Mark f'n Munoz...

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Mark Munoz isn't a good MMA wrestler. Some guys teach...others do. Wasn't he taken down by Leban??

It is also a tad different in taking down a flat-footed, slow, non-athletic man than it is a quick fighter who has good footwork and elite athleticism.

Munoz stood right in front of Weidman flat footed. He was an easy easy target.
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Mark Munoz isn't a good MMA wrestler. Some guys teach...others do. Wasn't he taken down by Leban??

It is also a tad different in taking down a flat-footed, slow, non-athletic man than it is a quick fighter who has good footwork and elite athleticism.

Munoz stood right in front of Weidman flat footed. He was an easy easy target.
Ur a f****** idiot. Blocking you after this last post. YEAH DUDE A GUY THAT WON AN NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IS AN EASY EASY TARGET FOR A TAKEDOWN!! Do you know anything about the sport at all? Cause 90% of your posts are either completely bias or band wagon with no real TRUE input that makes any sense. Its always "he only beat that guy cause he sucks". Trust me, if they are in the ufc, much less top 10 in their division, they don't suck and a ncaa national champion is not easy to take down.

I think silva is going to win. That said, munoz is 10x the wrestler silva will ever be.
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Ur a f****** idiot. Blocking you after this last post. YEAH DUDE A GUY THAT WON AN NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IS AN EASY EASY TARGET FOR A TAKEDOWN!! Do you know anything about the sport at all? Cause 90% of your posts are either completely bias or band wagon with no real TRUE input that makes any sense. Its always "he only beat that guy cause he sucks". Trust me, if they are in the ufc, much less top 10 in their division, they don't suck and a ncaa national champion is not easy to take down.

I think silva is going to win. That said, munoz is 10x the wrestler silva will ever be.
So you think Munoz has good MMA wrestling?

Titles and accomplishments don't mean shit once you are in MMA where you have NCAA Div 1. Champions like Phil getting out wrestled by guys like Rashad who were being beaten by Jacob Volkmann in college.
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So you think Munoz has good MMA wrestling?

Titles and accomplishments don't mean shit once you are in MMA where you have NCAA Div 1. Champions like Phil getting out wrestled by guys like Rashad who were being beaten by Jacob Volkmann in college.

Yes. Weidman simply has better. The easiest part of wrestling to bring over is your sprawls and the hardest is your take downs. Munoz outgrappled maia who out grappled fitch. Hes no slouch. So what I'm insinuating is that munoz is a great win and that weidman has not just good but amazing wrestling and grappling.
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Yes. Weidman simply has better. The easiest part of wrestling to bring over is your sprawls and the hardest is your take downs. Munoz outgrappled maia who out grappled fitch. Hes no slouch. So what I'm insinuating is that munoz is a great win and that weidman has not just good but amazing wrestling and grappling.
I hope Munoz could outgrapple Fitch aswell, their size difference is pretty large.

I also think it's a stretch to say that Munoz outgrappled Maia. (correction, K1Maia)

Munoz was a good collegiate wrestler but he's a slow, plodding striker in MMA that lands less than 25% of his attempted TDs.

He got outwrestled by Aaron Simpson and Nick Catone and Chris Leben took him down the same amount of times as Weidman did in the same amount of time.

Munoz is a poor measuring stick.
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Munoz outgrappled maia...
When did that happen? I certainly missed Maia being outgrappled by anyone in UFC...
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I really like this fight and people shouldnt be ruling Weidman out. Im basing this on Maia.

If Maia and Silva fought grappling then Maia would win 98/100 times. Maia would beat Weidman also in pure grappling but in MMA Weidman was able to hang with him.
Weidman is very good in striking and that may let him survive standing against Silva. I hope Weidman has really worked his boxing, especially a tight defense. He has to pick his shots otherwise Silva will just shoulder roll his strikes and figure his striking game easily.

He can win with smart defensive striking and most important setting up grappling through his striking.
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Ur a f****** idiot. Blocking you after this last post. YEAH DUDE A GUY THAT WON AN NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IS AN EASY EASY TARGET FOR A TAKEDOWN!! Do you know anything about the sport at all? Cause 90% of your posts are either completely bias or band wagon with no real TRUE input that makes any sense. Its always "he only beat that guy cause he sucks". Trust me, if they are in the ufc, much less top 10 in their division, they don't suck and a ncaa national champion is not easy to take down.

I think silva is going to win. That said, munoz is 10x the wrestler silva will ever be.
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