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Old 06-23-2013, 09:15 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Soojoo you're normally on a six-pence but I disgree here.



I've seen all of Weidman's performances both with full training camps and on short notice and whilst very impressive he has not shown that Anderson Silva level of dominance over opponents who, let's be honest, probably will never earn the chance of give Anderson Silva the luxury of destroying them in 30 seconds.

Weidman is being overrated because he is being put up onto a pedestal his performances have not really earned him yet. If he was not so mentally strong the pressure from fans would be crushing for him - and it still might be the case.

You can be 100-0 with 100 split decisions and go into a fight as an underdog, your record or being undefeated does you make you immune to being overrated.
But until hes lost how do you know? He could win the next 20 fights. The people saying hes awesome might be proved correct. So to say hes over rated makes no sense at this stage. If somebody claimed Silva would be the GOAT back in 2006, would that be an over-rated claim, considering he actually went on to be the greatest ever?

Sure, if people we're saying Chris has awesome standup? That would be over rating. But they are not. Same way if somebody called your hypothetical fighter - with 100 splits - a dangerous finisher... that would be over rating. These are things that could be classed as proven. But I feel the Chris stong points are totally legit. His grappling is very impressive. His strength and conditioning is top notch. There are not over rated claims. They are the truth.

If Silva grapples Chris to the ground and subs him with ease, then we have an argument that Weidman was indeed over rated. If Silva knocks him out? Not so much.

Either way, Weidman vs Silva is the most interesting title match-up out there right now, especially at MW. I really dont see why anybody would complain about the fight.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:44 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Cote,leites,leben could all be considered cans or at least glorified ones, and my point was not that anderson isn't the goat (because he is) my point was that all these people posting on bleacher report and bloodyelbow and whatever the **** online site want to say andersons opponent whoever it may be is a bum while still trying to claim anderson is the goat. And i'm saying you can't call someone the goat while saying all his opponents suck at the same time that's ridiculous.
This is a fact. People do this, but I think it is an involuntary result of Anderson's uniqueness. Obviously Anderson faced top top quality fighters and other merely good, but out of the 1st Sonnen fight, when he was hurt, the way he dispatched these guys, distorts people's idea on how good these opponents were and ultimately call then "cans" and "bums".

Weidman is a great fighter, I have no doubt about it. Wasn't Anderson around, many fighters in UFC would have the recognition they really deserve.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:48 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Thing about Weidman (but perhaps my memory is fuzzy) is he hasn't really shown that Chael complete top control. If I remember, Lawler got right back up when he was taken down at first. Munoz was getting up after a bit of work. Perhaps it is because Weidman goes for so many sub positions.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:54 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Thing about Weidman (but perhaps my memory is fuzzy) is he hasn't really shown that Chael complete top control. If I remember, Lawler got right back up when he was taken down at first. Munoz was getting up after a bit of work. Perhaps it is because Weidman goes for so many sub positions.
True. But if Weidman was to punch Silva in the head, half as many times as Chael did, Silva would have got knocked out. Weidman may not quite have Chaels pure MMA wrestling skills, but hes far more powerful and dangerous.
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True. But if Weidman was to punch Silva in the head, half as many times as Chael did, Silva would have got knocked out. Weidman may not quite have Chaels pure MMA wrestling skills, but hes far more powerful and dangerous.
Agree. But then again I think Silva was sort of letting Chael punch him in that 1st round of the 2nd fight. Since they had nothing behind them.
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But until hes lost how do you know?
Joe Bloggs went 1-0 then retired, he is now the GOAT P4P on Sherdog because he was never defeated.

Whilst records and results are imperative to ranking fighters, i also believe performances are important, especially when it comes to undefeated prospects.

Chris Weidman is a top-5 middleweight in my eyes, make no mistake about that, but he has not shown enough in his fights, for me, to warrant the amount of expectation on his shoulders.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:46 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Chris Weidman is a top-5 middleweight in my eyes, make no mistake about that, but he has not shown enough in his fights, for me, to warrant the amount of expectation on his shoulders.
That's the thing. What expectation? I would say 90% of the comments are people realizing Chris might be green but he's skilled and could present some problems for Silva. That's all. The *possibility* of some kind of effective offence. If the forum was awash with people claiming Chris will win, then you might have a point.

Sure, a few individuals are giving Chris a very strong chance but they are in the minority. Chris isnt being over rated at all. I would say the MMA community as a whole generally rate him just about perfectly.
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Some people tend to ignore these fighters are evolving and Anderson is the one who evolved the most. He can't be related now to the talented, yet green fighter he was when he got defeated in the past, by "cans" and "bums". To bring now he was submitted by Chonan and Takase means absolutely nothing. Where is Luiz Azeredo now? Talented fighter, but even he defeated Anderson in the past, he ate the Spider dust career wise. Anderson, at his age and still setting the bar ridiculously high, is the GOAT already. Lets see how many fighters will be dominant at his age in the future. Even Jones.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:54 AM   #69 (permalink)
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I was reviewing Weidman record and I have to say he is good, but the competition he faced in his way up and the way he won, don't get me impressed in any way.
Potential, yes he has. But no matter what happens July 6th, right now he is green as fvck. Specially compared to you know who.
By reviewing do you mean looking at his record or watching his fights? Also you are aware that he has alot of short notice fights and he has finished every opponent he has fought when he has a full training camp. You can't get an accurate look at Chris by looking at his wiki page or sherdog record.
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Have to say iv never activity seen Weidman fight. He has had what? two mid level named opponents ? Of course thats not to say he is not skilled just hard to be hyped! Im sure he will put up more of fight then Demian Maia or Thales Leites so it will be worth watching. That is if i can get BT Sports in the UK .....
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