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Old 06-29-2013, 10:14 AM   #51 (permalink)
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That's because his BJJ is ok at best, he doesn't have an active guard throwing up subs all the time and sweeps and constantly stands up. No once he goes down he usually doesn't get back up as seen in the newton,henderson and sonnen fights. had you have said Maia or gracie or jacare or nick diaz I would have been inclined to agree.
As I understand his fighting style that's because he is a precision fighter (not only in the striking department). He wants to fight most "efficiently", following specificly this martial arts' ideal. That means getting the maximum results with minimmum effort. Going for sub-attempt after sub-attempt would consume much more energy and in his eyes (probably) that's uneconomic. So he waits, analyses the situation and only goes for the sub when he is more or less sure that he'll really get it. It's basically the same as with his striking. He doesn't throw strikes like a machine gun (like some other fighters do), but rather like a sniper. You shouldn't let fool yourself by his seemingly inactivity, because it doesn't mean that he is not in the fight. It's just a different approach.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:42 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Every MMA fighter trains with elite BJJ instructors obviously, otherwise they'd be gone in 60 seconds like everyone at UFC 1. The fact is that in nearly a decade and a half of fighting, Anderson hasn't even qualified for a single high level grappling tournament to showcase his "elite" grappling or has a single grappling accolade.
He is the undisputed champion in the major MMA organization in the world. What does it mean that what you said? He didn't participate in any Tennis competition either.

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His greatest BJJ achievement was "subbing" Lutter with borderline illegal elbows in a triangle he couldn't even secure. A completely gassed Lutter who went to the buffet (literally, true story) the week of the fight, then drained every ounce of water in his body and still couldn't make weight for a TITLE fight. He practically fell out of mount to give Anderson the position.
Is it Anderson's fault Lutter didn't make weight and showed up out of shape for the belt on the line match?
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Let's not forget him "subbing" Hendo, a guy he basically knocked out.
God damn it, Silva. Shame on you. Why the heck you had to knock down Hendo and spoil a perfect opportunity to show you are a good grappler, not an MMA champion?
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And of course the unsubbable Chael Sonnen, the man with the worst submission loss record in UFC history.
That sub granted him the belt. It was the most effective, timed and executed in the best moment of MMA history to take the candy away from Chael +T and his followers.

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Lastly there's some 2-5 Raimundo Pinheiro in his first ever pro fight.

I'm sure these marvelous accolades put him head and shoulders above Weidman, who has twice the per-fight sub rate (2 subs in just 9 fights) including a brilliant standing guillotine. He qualified for ADCC with just 1 year of training and took Galvao, a multi-multi-time champ to a very close decision. Not just stalling, but actually going for subs and threatening.

Anderson is basically a striker. An amazing, brilliant, awesome, invincible striker, but a striker. With some reflex based TDD and basic subs.
So much ado to say the obvious in bold quote...
Now if Anderson KO Weidman people will say he was afraid of Weidman's ground game.
EDIT: I have to add this or ppl won't understand: That was a joke, ok? Why Anderson would like to grapple with Weidman, right?
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As I understand his fighting style that's because he is a precision fighter (not only in the striking department). He wants to fight most "efficiently", following specificly this martial arts' ideal. That means getting the maximum results with minimmum effort. Going for sub-attempt after sub-attempt would consume much more energy and in his eyes (probably) that's uneconomic. So he waits, analyses the situation and only goes for the sub when he is more or less sure that he'll really get it. It's basically the same as with his striking. He doesn't throw strikes like a machine gun (like some other fighters do), but rather like a sniper. You shouldn't let fool yourself by his seemingly inactivity, because it doesn't mean that he is not in the fight. It's just a different approach.
Well see the problem with that is people with good sub defense like hendo or weidman aren't getting sub from the guard from minimal attempts and not threatening with sweeps and stand ups just makes it easier on them, chael kept him down for most of the fight and he had terrible sub defense. I think playing the same game with weidman or should he ever fight jones would be a bad mistake.
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He is the undisputed champion in the major MMA organization in the world. What does it mean that what you said? He didn't participate in any Tennis competition either.


Is it Anderson's fault Lutter didn't make weight and showed up out of shape for the belt on the line match?

God damn it, Silva. Shame on you. Why the heck you had to knock down Hendo and spoil a perfect opportunity to show you are a good grappler, not an MMA champion?

That sub granted him the belt. It was the most effective, timed and executed in the best moment of MMA history to take the candy away from Chael +T and his followers.



So much ado to say the obvious in bold quote...
Now if Anderson KO Weidman people will say he was afraid of Weidman's ground game.
EDIT: I have to add this or ppl won't understand: That was a joke, ok? Why Anderson would like to grapple with Weidman, right?
Don't change your tune bro. You were the one claiming Anderson was also a great grappler and that we were foolish to question his grappling skils. Now that point was disproven and you change the conversation.

Anderson doesn't take part in tennis comps because he isn't hitting people with a racket inside the cage. He IS grappling and trying to sub them and defend their subs. The comparison is totally invalid. Most top grapplers in MMA also try out for grappling comps to test and improve their skills. Only the good ones qualify though, and only the best win.

None of your points prove anything about Anderson's grappling. He is a great striker, admittedly, but the points I made are: 1. He is in a world of trouble if weidman takes him down 2. He is not a fully well rounded fighter like people claim he is. Jones is.
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Well see the problem with that is people with good sub defense like hendo or weidman aren't getting sub from the guard from minimal attempts and not threatening with sweeps and stand ups just makes it easier on them, chael kept him down for most of the fight and he had terrible sub defense. I think playing the same game with weidman or should he ever fight jones would be a bad mistake.
We'll see. The fight is the fight

Until it happends, it's all specualation anyways.
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ugh the fight is the fight, if I ever meet anderson I have to ask him what he means by that
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Don't change your tune bro. You were the one claiming Anderson was also a great grappler and that we were foolish to question his grappling skils. Now that point was disproven and you change the conversation.
Change my tune? When I'll do that I'll first tell you "sorry, you were right", don't worry.
I have to laugh when people forget this is a forum, so words do not get blown with the wind.
Where did I say Anderson is a GREAT grappler?

Try to read again. But this time, try to really read. Look, I quoted myself for you.

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The most evolving MMA fighter in the world, originally a Muay Thai fighter has already shown to the world he dedicated himself to learn effective Jiu-Jitsu to the core, not only flashy make believe one.

Training Jiu-Jitsu with the best among the best, knowing Anderson, his commitment to results an discipline and what he accomplished already, makes me laugh about those who still doubt his grappling abilities.
^^^^No, didn't say he is a great grappler here.

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But that's exactly what I mean, OWNS. His OK Jiu-Jitsu payed off already. He is still a stand-up fighter. You mentioned the names of bright solid accomplished BJJ practitioners. Anderson is a bright student and the OK JJ he already learned granted him submission wins, including a coming from behind belt saving one. His OK Jiu-Jitsu is more than enough to make him a complete MMA fighter.
^^^^ Ops, didn't say he is a great grappler here either...

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Most top grapplers in MMA also try out for grappling comps to test and improve their skills. Only the good ones qualify though, and only the best win.

2. He is not a fully well rounded fighter like people claim he is. Jones is.
Please, if to compete in relevant grappling comps is so important, tell me which of these comps your "well rounded" Jones participated, please.
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Eh, I've no interest in debating when I'm just going to be told I'm 'stupid' and 'ignorant' for having a differing point of view. I will say this - even when I come right out and admit that Anderson is the greatest active fighter right now, despite my being a huge GSP fan, I still get BS because I consider him the best for alternative reasons. Only Anderson Silva fans, lol.
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Change my tune? When I'll do that I'll first tell you "sorry, you were right", don't worry.
I have to laugh when people forget this is a forum, so words do not get blown with the wind.
Where did I say Anderson is a GREAT grappler?

Try to read again. But this time, try to really read. Look, I quoted myself for you.


^^^^No, didn't say he is a great grappler here.


^^^^ Ops, didn't say he is a great grappler here either...



Please, if to compete in relevant grappling comps is so important, tell me which of these comps your "well rounded" Jones participated, please.
Jones has legit submitted TWO BJJ black belts with excellent creds (not fat dehydrated ones with illegal elbows either) and ragdolled NCAA div I wrestlers in addition to having great wrestling creds of hia own. Yes wrestling also comes under the umbrella of grappling, so jones' creds there count.

I did read what you said maybe you are sleepwriting and don't know what you wrote. You said you "LAUGH at those who DOUBT his grappling". Well I laugh at those who think his meager grappling will make him do great against any real grappler on the ground. Anderson would and has gotten straight up tooled by guys that managed to take him down, right from Takase all those years ago to Sonnen lately.

Jones on the other hand has fought top level strikers and still owned them on the feet. In addition to owning top level grapplers on the ground.
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Jones has legit submitted TWO BJJ black belts with excellent creds (not fat dehydrated ones with illegal elbows either) and ragdolled NCAA div I wrestlers in addition to having great wrestling creds of hia own. Yes wrestling also comes under the umbrella of grappling, so jones' creds there count.
Well, in that case the submission of an Olympic wrestler and Olympic alternate should count to Silva's credit...
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