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post #11 of 37 (permalink) Old 07-05-2013, 09:25 PM
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MMA is just too green right now. I understand both sides. There is no other major sport where as a pro you are forced to work another job to be able to afford to compete in your sport. I mean what if guys in the NFL could only practice/lift weights/watch footage in the 4 hours each day they arent at work and then the other 50% of the league was doing it 8 hours a day. It's obvious who's going to have the edge. Like i said, i agree with both sides.
thanks for this. There are obviously two sides of the story and a level head is needed to see that both parties have merit and it's a result of a sport that emulates others while still not having the financial support of the established leagues
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MMA is just too green right now. I understand both sides. There is no other major sport where as a pro you are forced to work another job to be able to afford to compete in your sport. I mean what if guys in the NFL could only practice/lift weights/watch footage in the 4 hours each day they arent at work and then the other 50% of the league was doing it 8 hours a day. It's obvious who's going to have the edge. Like i said, i agree with both sides.
Except there isn't an undercard in the nfl where you work your way up. You best believe guys on the practice squad work another job.

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MMA is just too green right now. I understand both sides. There is no other major sport where as a pro you are forced to work another job to be able to afford to compete in your sport. I mean what if guys in the NFL could only practice/lift weights/watch footage in the 4 hours each day they arent at work and then the other 50% of the league was doing it 8 hours a day. It's obvious who's going to have the edge. Like i said, i agree with both sides.
Let's be real here if you are training more than 4 hours a day you are over training; there is no such thing as a full time fighter. These guys could get part time jobs and still only be working the same amount of time or less than most people. They are lazy and it probably has something to do with why no one wants to pay to see them fight. Also for the longest time you had to get a regular job during the off season in all the major sports. Still to this day a lot of guys are running businesses or working when they aren't playing the game. Brian Hartline does 12 hour shifts at a convenience store he co-owns during the off season. That is the difference between someone who wants to be successful in what he does and someone who wants to win the lottery.
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Let's be real here if you are training more than 4 hours a day you are over training; there is no such thing as a full time fighter. These guys could get part time jobs and still only be working the same amount of time or less than most people. They are lazy and it probably has something to do with why no one wants to pay to see them fight. Also for the longest time you had to get a regular job during the off season in all the major sports. Still to this day a lot of guys are running businesses or working when they aren't playing the game. Brian Hartline does 12 hour shifts at a convenience store he co-owns during the off season. That is the difference between someone who wants to be successful in what he does and someone who wants to win the lottery.
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It's true though if you don't bring in revenue why should you be compensated more?


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The UFC should just have win money and a finish bonuses for every fight, but have the finish bonus be significantly more. Guys would make money if they really came with a killer instinct and we would get exciting fights. I like fight of the night and the other bonuses, but it sucks when there's 2 awesome fights or 2 awesome knockouts. It's kind of crazy for a guy to miss out on a significant financial windfall just because that night JDS or someone wanted to pull out a wheel kick.

Dana is pretty much right. The UFC has no incentive to invest in you if there are a dozen other guys who can take your spot. Moreover, it hurts their product if guys are getting paid to be boring and generally not motivated.

Fighting isn't like an office job; you win, you win well, you move on and make money. Just because your'e in the company it doesn't mean youre entitled to anything, it just means you have a chance.
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The thing that really annoys me most about this conversation is these guys that get real adamant about it being some sort of injustice about what these dudes are getting paid. Like the rest of the middle class should rise as one not for their own wages and income inequality but for the wages of entertainers with extreme incentive based income.

This is all it is...it's an entertainment business, thus the sort of money you make is correlated to how well you entertain the masses.

My jobs have been based in production, the income inequality is a lot less easier to justify. I'm currently working in positions where my company is understaffed, if I just decided "welp **** this Im out in the middle of a work day"...they'd be extremely inconvenienced temporarily. When they are pulling something like 40k in a day based on the work that I'm doing vitrually singlehandedly, and I'm making not even a percent of that, with no way of increasing my own income based on performance...then you have something to complain about.

If John Cholish didn't show up for his fight no one would give a ****. They would just cancel the fight and continue on and no revenue or nothing of any value would be lost. The guys that matter, the guys that would shut the show down if they didn't show up, are the ones not complaining because they are making money.



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I agree with Dana. As for his comment about everyone saying they don't make enough. I'm extremely happy with my paycheck. To be honest, I'm just happy to have a job doing what I love. So many people out there wish they could even work in a job they would hate. A lot of people just want to work but can't. Meanwhile I have a job and it happens to be something I like to do. I could honestly say if I were to ever win the lotto or come across a similar fortune, I would still probably work and do it for free because it's what I love to do. I would hope fighters have the same attitude. It's clear most of them don't.

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While i agree with Dana for the most part i also believe that the bottom guys should be paid a bit more.

Everyone making these comments about "If no one wants to watch you then why should you make millions" well i dont think anyone expects the pay to be raised that high pr even close to it.

But when i see pays like 2k/2k or 4k/4k i think thats down right pathetic. Make the minimum 15k/15k and that would be perfect imo. It wouldnt make much of a difference to the UFC but it would make it fair for everyone. Win 3 fights in a row and thats a 90k a year salary or lose 3 in a row and thats a 45k a year salary and most likely you get the boot. Fight nights could be 10k/10k mimimum or something.

Other then that i think fighters are compensated fairly.

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While i agree with Dana for the most part i also believe that the bottom guys should be paid a bit more.

Everyone making these comments about "If no one wants to watch you then why should you make millions" well i dont think anyone expects the pay to be raised that high pr even close to it.

But when i see pays like 2k/2k or 4k/4k i think thats down right pathetic. Make the minimum 15k/15k and that would be perfect imo. It wouldnt make much of a difference to the UFC but it would make it fair for everyone. Win 3 fights in a row and thats a 90k a year salary or lose 3 in a row and thats a 45k a year salary and most likely you get the boot. Fight nights could be 10k/10k mimimum or something.

Other then that i think fighters are compensated fairly.
Except it would definitely make a difference to the UFC. At 4k/4k fighting and winning 3 times a year is 24k, with your model it's 90k. That's a difference of 66k on the winning side and a difference of 33k on the low end. If we were talking one or two fighters, sure, it's a great system however there are many John Cholishs in the UFC. With a base pay as large as you suggest, every fight that the large majority of fans doesn't care about is now guaranteed to cost the UFC 45k. With 7 prelim fights, that means 315k spent on prelims that bring in nowhere near that much in revenue as opposed to the 168k that they spend on average at an 8k/8k salary.

That means that every three and a half cards costs the UFC one million dollars solely on the prelims, and it's almost certainly a model that they'd be losing substantial money on. 3 fights and three losses at the standard 8k/8k still equates to more than working a minimum wage job, though not by much, in at least my region and I'd be surprised to find out my area is alone in this.

I guess the way I see it is this, they are entertainers, just the same as me. When I started DJing, it was small time stuff, and shit pay, but I stuck with it because I love doing it. Now I make about 5k an event in base fees and generally another 2-3k in tips. I get paid what I'm worth, but I had to build that worth up from **** all, to what it is now. These fighters should be no different. The UFC has provided an opportunity for them, they should quit whining and seize the opportunity.

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