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post #41 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-07-2013, 02:04 PM
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I saw a TD the first round that did hardly any damage. The sub attempt was a full blown fail. I saw TDs getting stuffed and a very uncomfortable Chris in the 2nd who was forced to stand up with Silva. I saw a lazy Silva clowning like a fool and I also saw a punch that knocked Silva out. Those are the facts.

It's very hard to take you seriously for 2 reasons:

1. You are not in touch with reality and I am assuming from your response you're a Silva hater, which is why you see things that are not real.

2. You assume, nay insist, that I am a fanboy of Silva when I was the first to say that I am happy that he lost.

When you come to terms with reality and stop talking nonsense maybe I'll give it a go at taking you seriously. But please do go on with the stupid tirades of yours and keep hinting that I am butthurt, when that is as far from the truth as my feet are from the moon.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I wish I could just post my OPINION and state "Those are the facts" after as if it holds any merit. I can't tell if we're being trolled right now or you really are this stupid.

The "fact" is Silva lost the first, and got knocked out in the second. Deal with it. Clearly you can't.

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GSP lost his title as well to Serra no?

This flawed logic, not talking just about you, that since Silva lost one fight he is automatically no longer P4P, is just ridiculous.

My rating is:

1. Silva (despite his los)
2. Jones
3. GSP

What allows GSP to dominate (if grinding out results can be considered dominating) is a little cookie cutter formula he learned to apply diligently to every single fight. Personally I don't like him at all since he puts me to sleep.
A cookie cutter formula that no one can solve.

Anderson did what he always does. He toyed with Griffin and Bonnar and people praised him for it because he won. He tried to toy with Weidman and people call him a fool because he lost. It's a double standard, and anyone not up Silva's arse doesn't have to buy into it.
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CMON GUYS BE REAL .... Jones Has been p4p since he beat rashad ... its ******* clear that Silva cant beat Jones their styles dont match at all ...
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CMON GUYS BE REAL .... Jones Has been p4p since he beat rashad ... its ******* clear that Silva cant beat Jones their styles dont match at all ...

I look at P4P being the best fighter taking size out of it. That is why I think George is #1. Longest titel defense and cleaning out his division and beating another Champion BJ-Penn.

Size does not matter in these because if it does then the HW's will be on top. Jones would lose to Cain and JDS.

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It's Jones in my opinion and he has been for a good while.
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It's Jones and was before Andy's KO at the hands of Weidman. I even put GSP ahead of Andy if we're talking about crurrent p4p. 16-0'in the UFC is freakishly good any way you slice it, but Andy's had fights lately where he lost some rounds and pulled out a victory because of his diverse skills and ring savvy.

GSP however smothers opponents from the opening bell and frustrates them with his athleticism and skills and simply doesn't give opponents any breathing room. He doesn't lose rounds.

JBJ takes that up a level by winning each rounds but by absolutely dominating guys and winning in devastating fashion. Hes #1 pfp in my book.
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The way I see p4p right now

1. GSP - He's cleaned out his division, fought guys that dropped down in weight, avenged every loss and is the greatest WW of all time.

2. Jones - Should be number #1 but those wastes of Belfort/Sonnen fights still leaves top contenders Glover and Gustaf in the mix. He should break Tito's record and overtake Chuck as the GOLHWAT at around the same time.

3. Aldo - Can make a really good case for himself with his next five defenses if they are (Pettis, Lamas, Swanson, and at LW Henderson), he'll also break Fedor's undefeated record.

You could make a case for any one of the three guys, the top three is set.

4. Chris Weidman - Mostly here because Anderson falls to five and Weidman belongs ahead of him. But I would credit his NCAA victories over Bader and Davis along with his win over Silva and Maia being a WW threat as a p4p top guy.

5. Anderson Silva - I thought about putting him near the bottom but most of the other champions are to new, to weak, or "interim".

6. Renan Barao - The winner of Cruz/Barao will get the four slot but until we get that fight Barao is at 6.

Barao really should/will be four but until he loses the "Interim" label he's at six.

7. Cain Velasquez - One mistake in his career but still he's a HW with a lot of work to get done so I can't see putting him in the top five for p4p.

8. Demetrius Johnson - Beat the best of his field, his fields just kind of pathetic.

9. Benson Henderson - You could argue he's 1-3 in his last four, one has to wonder what would happen if GSP drops down in weight to face him.

The underwhelming american's round out the top ten. And now it comes down to who is the 2nd best fighter without a title and I would argue begrudgingly...

10. Gilbert Melendez - Henderson, Condit and Edgar are on losing streaks so Gil gets to slip into this spot.

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I saw a TD the first round that did hardly any damage.
We weren't watching the same fight. Weidman immediately took him down and took half guard and punched him in the face plenty of times. Had Weidman chosen to stay there instead of trying to pass there's a good chance the round would have ended with him still there, still punching. He stopped every attempt Silva made to get up until he tried to pass him.

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I saw TDs getting stuffed and a very uncomfortable Chris in the 2nd who was forced to stand up with Silva. I saw a lazy Silva clowning like a fool and I also saw a punch that knocked Silva out. Those are the facts.
This is the part you and many other fight fans are completely misunderstanding. Weidman's takedowns in the second half of that round truly looked legitimate to you? Those were half assed at best to keep Anderson thinking about it. Shit Weidman walked into Silva head first on one of them, c'mon. And Silva was not "clowning like a fool." If you honestly think this I don't think you've seen him fight very much or you don't think the fight game is much deeper than what you can see. Chris isn't stupid and he's not going to try and take big shots at Anderson while he's out of range because Anderson is the best counter striker on the damn planet. Anderson was taunting him trying to get him to engage with him. Watch his other fights, he does this every single time a fighter won't throw first. Then when they do he dodges and gets their timing down and then wrecks them. Every time. It's not him clowning guys because he thinks he's a god or because he's cocky, it's an actual tactic in the fight. And it's a brilliant one for someone like Silva whose biggest strengths are his timing, accuracy and sense of space (where you are, where he is and what your openings are). It works because people get ******* terrified of Anderson when he does this, it's not a normal talent. Chris and his camp expected this to happen and made Silva move until he was out of position without Chris over committing so Anderson couldn't find that opening. They talked about it extensively after the fight.

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It's very hard to take you seriously for 2 reasons:

1. You are not in touch with reality and I am assuming from your response you're a Silva hater, which is why you see things that are not real.

2. You assume, nay insist, that I am a fanboy of Silva when I was the first to say that I am happy that he lost.
You're hardly looking at this without bias yourself.

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When you come to terms with reality and stop talking nonsense maybe I'll give it a go at taking you seriously. But please do go on with the stupid tirades of yours and keep hinting that I am butthurt, when that is as far from the truth as my feet are from the moon.

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These kinds of things don't win you debates. Stating facts and valid opinions without attacking other members is what will get you respect around here, this isn't Sherdog.
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I'm going to have to say GSP, but the gap between Silva, GSP and Jones is much smaller than before. That said if Silva comes back and wins his next fight without having to bait someone into attacking and actually going offensive first, he could easily re-attain the title of #1 P4P.
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