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post #51 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-07-2013, 07:29 PM
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I'm going to have to say GSP, but the gap between Silva, GSP and Jones is much smaller than before. That said if Silva comes back and wins his next fight without having to bait someone into attacking and actually going offensive first, he could easily re-attain the title of #1 P4P.
The only way Silva re-attains the title of #1 p4p is if he wins his title and beats Jones or GSP. For years Silva didn't face the level of competition the others have he rose to the top on style points.

The race really is between Jones/GSP and Jose Aldo. After Aldo beats KZ he's going to be in line to take on Pettis, Lamas, and Henderson. He could win 2 belts, he could go undefeated for ten years, he has beaten top guys in three different weight classes.
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The only way Silva re-attains the title of #1 p4p is if he wins his title and beats Jones or GSP. For years Silva didn't face the level of competition the others have he rose to the top on style points.

The race really is between Jones/GSP and Jose Aldo. After Aldo beats KZ he's going to be in line to take on Pettis, Lamas, and Henderson. He could win 2 belts, he could go undefeated for ten years, he has beaten top guys in three different weight classes.
Oh yeeah cos Dan Hardy, Thiago Alves, Jake Shields and the miniscule BJ are all amazing wins.

Let's not forget Bones' 2 wins over MWs and only fighting dudes who are well past their primes. Gotta love that motivated Rampage he fought, you know, the guy who never even had the balls to close the distance and land some strikes, or Shogun? The guy who can't even look good for more than 2 mins?







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It's either GSP/Jones/Aldo, it's certainly not Silva anymore. P4P is all about opinions, nobody is right or wrong, but one consensus most people make is that if you have 4 guys (Silva/GSP/Jones/Aldo) fighting for #1 and one of them gets knocked out, well that guy isn't in the running anymore for #1. Now it's a fight between the other 3 guys, and opinions will be opinions, but it certainly isn't Anderson anymore as he just got knocked out by a legitimate MW, not a HW or a LHW, Silva didn't move up, a MW came in, beat him the first round and knocked him out in the second.

Anderson's #1 spot both in the MW division and P4P list is now gone, it'll take a few days for it to sink it but it is gone.

edit - it will take more than Silva to win one fight to get it back, he has jumped down below those 3, IMO. GSP has a legitimate case for #1 now, as does Jones, and in some eyes Aldo too. These guys are still champions and still winning, Silva has to get a few wins and one of them has to be a title fight before he can even be in the running for #1 again, and even then that doesn't mean he IS #1, it just means he is in the running again.
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Oh yeeah cos Dan Hardy, Thiago Alves, Jake Shields and the miniscule BJ are all amazing wins.

Let's not forget Bones' 2 wins over MWs and only fighting dudes who are well past their primes. Gotta love that motivated Rampage he fought, you know, the guy who never even had the balls to close the distance and land some strikes, or Shogun? The guy who can't even look good for more than 2 mins?
Shields and BJ are champions from the MW, LW, and WW divisions, Alves went on a great run to get his shot, and Hardy....Hardy was BS but he's still in the UFC.

How many guys did Anderson fight that later went on to get cut from the UFC. Cote, Henderson, Leites, Irvin, Marquardt, and Lutter these are all fighters that fought the "GOAT" and the UFC decided to say vaya con dios to.

Of GSP's last 14 opponents the UFC has cut a grand total of one.. and that was Jon Fitch and most felt it was BS.

Also funny how you feel these guys are "past their prime" when they have or had the damn belt.
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I had Silva first after the Belfort KO and GSP a very close second.

I got GSP ranked 1 now because of his dominance. Many guys here wont see why but GSP has his own dominating niche. He may not finish opponents but he totally dominates them.

Its not like Silva where guys try to exploit his wrestling and ground game. Silva loses rounds to grapplers but comes back with amazing finishes. GSP faces opponents who dont have a skill to exploit and he dominates them. Great fighters have Ko's but GSP had like a 30 round win streak against title challengers.

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post #58 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-08-2013, 12:40 AM
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GSP lost his title as well to Serra no?

This flawed logic, not talking just about you, that since Silva lost one fight he is automatically no longer P4P, is just ridiculous.

My rating is:

1. Silva (despite his los)
2. Jones
3. GSP

What allows GSP to dominate (if grinding out results can be considered dominating) is a little cookie cutter formula he learned to apply diligently to every single fight. Personally I don't like him at all since he puts me to sleep.
GSP lost in 2007 thats 6 years ago. Anderson lost 2 days ago. thats the difference. You act like GSP is easy to figure out, yet he;s beat higher caliber fighters than Silva, and GSP is able to fight smart and stick to a gameplan. I am not a fan of GSP, he can be fun to watch, and sometimes he is not fun to watch. But my personal taste for a fighter does not have anything to do with them being p4p.



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GSP lost in 2007 thats 6 years ago. Anderson lost 2 days ago. thats the difference. You act like GSP is easy to figure out, yet he;s beat higher caliber fighters than Silva, and GSP is able to fight smart and stick to a gameplan. I am not a fan of GSP, he can be fun to watch, and sometimes he is not fun to watch. But my personal taste for a fighter does not have anything to do with them being p4p.
Who has GSP fought that was of higher caliber? Diaz? Shields? Koscheck? His toughest test was probably Condit.

The fact is that GSP lost in a similar fashion that Anderson lost. The difference is that GSP lost at 26 and Anderson at 38.

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Who has GSP fought that was of higher caliber? Diaz? Shields? Koscheck? His toughest test was probably Condit.

The fact is that GSP lost in a similar fashion that Anderson lost. The difference is that GSP lost at 26 and Anderson at 38.
Aren't you conveniently ignoring Anderson getting completely dominated and his ass handed to him by Daiju freaking Takase at the same age that GSP lost to at least a UFC contender? Selective memory.
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