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post #61 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-08-2013, 01:51 AM
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GSP avenged both of his loses in devastating fashion. Also personally I love Matt Serra but it was a lucky punch in a lucky fight because no way would he defeat a top five WW to get that shot at the champ.
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post #62 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-08-2013, 09:23 AM
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Hard to say between GSP and Bones. Bones just destroys his opponents and has never really lost, whereas GSP has been champion for so long. Being unbiased, it's almost a 1A/1B situation (I thought Silva was previously clear #1), but I would put GSP slightly ahead of Bones.

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I say GSP. This thread should have a poll.
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Jones. Has never been in trouble in his career, or shown any signs of weakness that could be exploited, other than getting briefly caught in an armbar by Belfort. He is also a savage finisher, finishing 10 out of his last 11 fights (I consider the Hamill fight a Jones stoppage) in brutal fashion. He's beaten some seriously talented fighters, and done it in the most impressive way, by finishing them. I love GSP, but Jon Jones is the best fighter on the planet right now.

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1. GSP
2. JBJ

In my book... According to Dana it's JBJ.

GSP has 8 successful defenses vs 5 and in my opinion GSP has fought much stiffer P4P competition.
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post #66 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-08-2013, 01:27 PM
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1 GSP
2 Silva
3 Aldo
4 Jones
5 Cain
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7 Barao
8 Johnson
9 Benavidez
10 Mendez

Jones last two opponents at LHW are against MW's who lost to that divisions champion. Also talk to me about Jones and p4p when he fights at HW and is not the single largest LHW competing ever.
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1 GSP
2 Silva
3 Aldo
4 Jones
5 Cain
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7 Barao
8 Johnson
9 Benavidez
10 Mendez

Jones last two opponents at LHW are against MW's who lost to that divisions champion. Also talk to me about Jones and p4p when he fights at HW and is not the single largest LHW competing ever.
I don't like the whole argument of Jones needing to go to HW to prove anything. That's like saying GSP needs to go up to MW to prove something. There's nothing wrong with people dominating their own weight class.

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post #68 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-08-2013, 01:59 PM
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I think this recent fight absolutely screws the P4P rankings up. After GSPs last performance against Nick Diaz, I'm sorry but there's no way I'm putting him at p4p #1. Silva losing to Weidman still doesn't denote all that he's done in the sport and everything he's accomplished. So does Weidman become #1? Surely Weidman has to be put on the P4P list now, being that he just be the King, hence, meaning that he's better. Otherwise, Weidman wouldn't be given his due credit.

This also brings up the question, is P4P rankings about who is the most dominant relative to their weight class, or who has accomplished the most in their career relative to their weight class?

Let's just say this loss drops Silva to #3, and puts Jones and GSP at the top two positions. GSP and Jones' last opponents have something in common in that they both fought guys who came off of losses. GSP won a decisive but not dominant 5 rd decision, whereas Jones beat his opponent at his own game and took care of him in the first rd. So Jones was more dominant, however Jones' more dominant victory is denoted by the fact that his opponent came from a lower weight class, and has no wins in the 205 lbs division in the UFC. Does this denote Jones' victory so much that GSP's victory was worth more for his P4P status than Jones'?

...the more champions lose, the more screwed up and pointless the P4P rankings become. Therefore, my P4P king is Julian Lane (end of discussion).

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I don't think one loss should remove AS from the P4P ceremonial title. They could re-fight tomorrow and the outcome could very well be completely different. As far as the fight game goes, the winner is the best fighter that night. That's why many sports have a series format for deciding who the champion is. I'm not saying that's what should happen for mma, I'm just saying AS is still the P4P guy, even though my personal feelings are, he's a complete douchebag that only acts humble and respectful when a mic is in his face, but in the cage he acts like a dick. I'm so happy he lost the way he did.
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post #70 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-08-2013, 02:58 PM
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Weidman would beat Jon Jones. Yeah, I said it. Better wrestler, better grappler, better fighter.
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