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Old 07-07-2013, 07:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Probably because Christ Weidman's strategy was to catch Silva during his condescending antics. Not an unreasonable Strategy, but pretty GSP like.
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Probably because Christ Weidman's strategy was to catch Silva during his condescending antics. Not an unreasonable Strategy, but pretty GSP like.
He watched Silva footage, came up with a great gameplan and implemented it fantastically. Anyone who tries to belittle Weidman for implementing a winning strategy is absolutely foolish.

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Old 07-07-2013, 08:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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His winning strategy was to miss a bunch of punches while Silva played head games and dodged and weaved his shots while having his hands dropped til eventually he thought he would get lucky and catch him? Interesting.
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His winning strategy was to miss a bunch of punches while Silva played head games and dodged and weaved his shots while having his hands dropped til eventually he thought he would get lucky and catch him? Interesting.
Yes, striking was a big part of his gameplan. Weidman said before the fight that he wanted to get Silva thinking about shots to make his striking more effective. In that second round, Silva was very aware of the shot. Weidman's corner before the second specifically instructed to let his hands go. They knew he had the reach to connect.

Also in his training camp they specifically trained for these kinds of antics. They actually had sparing partners imitate Silva's clowning, so that Weidman would stay focused and not get emotional.

So yes, I know this is extremely painful for you, but this was indeed his gameplan. They had Anderson's gameplan pegged and countered in beautifully.

Oh and BTW, Anderson missed a whole lot more than Weidman. Also part of the plan.
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So yes, I know this is extremely painful for you, but this was indeed his gameplan.
Why would it be painful? Im not even a Silva fan. Wanderlia Silva yes. Anderson Silva , not so much. Im just not buying that game plan. No ones game plan is Im going to miss wildly but keep doing it til I get lucky. Which he did and good for him. But I do not believe that was his game plan.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I agree that those excuses you posted first are all bullshit. Anderson wanted to win the fight, age has not caught up with him, Weidman to a degree was lucky but luck DOES play a valid factor in fights (he threw a nice punch and it landed).

But to me, Weidman's win was only big on paper.

I didn't see ANYTHING from Weidman that was different and more impressive than before really.

Weidman's punch after flooring Anderson was killer, so I think his ability to finish a fight after hurting a fighter must be really good.

The downsides are more so though. His temperament proves to be VERY weak. He got Anderson down and nearly locked in a sub. Then Anderson clowns him and he wants to keep it standing? TERRIBLE decision. I was really unimpressed by that aspect. Also, Anderson was able to somewhat defend some of his takedowns, which is actually a point that Anderson is VERY weak in, and I feel people overrate his BJJ and TDD a lot. Lastly, Weidman's inability to check even simplistic leg kicks would put him in serious trouble against someone who could capitalize.

I still feel he's overrated and has a lot to learn. I'm still not on the hype train just yet. I do feel he'd win a rematch by being MUCH more clever and focusing on the takedowns a lot more, and I think he might do really well if he keeps growing every fight. But to say he's def going to hold the belt for a long time or that his name is up there with the best is way too premature to me. I think he has trouble with Bisping (although wins by KO) and loses to Sonnen and Belfort.
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I agree that those excuses you posted first are all bullshit. Anderson wanted to win the fight, age has not caught up with him, Weidman to a degree was lucky but luck DOES play a valid factor in fights (he threw a nice punch and it landed).

But to me, Weidman's win was only big on paper.

I didn't see ANYTHING from Weidman that was different and more impressive than before really.

Weidman's punch after flooring Anderson was killer, so I think his ability to finish a fight after hurting a fighter must be really good.

The downsides are more so though. His temperament proves to be VERY weak. He got Anderson down and nearly locked in a sub. Then Anderson clowns him and he wants to keep it standing? TERRIBLE decision. I was really unimpressed by that aspect. Also, Anderson was able to somewhat defend some of his takedowns, which is actually a point that Anderson is VERY weak in, and I feel people overrate his BJJ and TDD a lot. Lastly, Weidman's inability to check even simplistic leg kicks would put him in serious trouble against someone who could capitalize.

I still feel he's overrated and has a lot to learn. I'm still not on the hype train just yet. I do feel he'd win a rematch by being MUCH more clever and focusing on the takedowns a lot more, and I think he might do really well if he keeps growing every fight. But to say he's def going to hold the belt for a long time or that his name is up there with the best is way too premature to me. I think he has trouble with Bisping (although wins by KO) and loses to Sonnen and Belfort.
This. I felt the same way.
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The one thing that's annoying me is "Anderson always clowns his opponents. Weidman trained for this and he capitalized on it". The deserves to be in the "Anderson deliberately tired Chael out and then locked in the sub" category.

Anderson WAS different in this fight. Maybe it was his strategy, but in the second round he began to REALLY take the piss which is why he got caught. In the first, if he managed to keep that level of shit talking working and Weidman continued to be stupid and keep the fight standing, Anderson would have easily won. He came out in the second like a complete asshole and Weidman gave him the just deserts.
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Anderson does that stuff to try and get highlight reel KOs not because it is the most effective way for him to fight. The guy is obsessed with RJJ and already established his legacy he just wants to pull off crazy shit now. I personally like that kind of stuff it is huge risk for huge reward while guys like GSP are so obsessed with never losing that it makes their fights more lackluster than they need to be. Look at the Pierce fight; his opponent wasn't close to being in his league at range yet he kept safe fighting.

Anderson didn't get knocked out because he was clowning Weidman. Weidman didn't beat Anderson while he was fighting to the best of his abilities either but that isn't anything new he almost never does anymore.

Anderson has the tools to adapt how he strikes to perfectly fit whoever his opponent is but he doesn't do that because he doesn't care about that. It is who he is you have to take the bad with the good. He understands what he is doing carries those increased risks which is why he wasn't devastated by the loss.

What Weidman deserves credit for is beating a great fighter who takes huge and completely unnecessary risks to look cool and have fun because that is what reality is. It doesn't lessen his achievement because it is exactly what happened and a lot of other guys got completely humiliated by the same guy fighting the same way.
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He beat Bonnar with a flying knee, he beat Forrest with a jab... I mean, watch the fight again, he tried as forceful a side kick as he could that would have knocked down many a fighter but Weidman blocked it. Anderson is a counter-striker and when someone neither over commits or stands still the counter-striking becomes nullified, which is exactly what happened. That wasn't Anderson not trying, that was Chris Weidman not getting tricked, that's where people are missing the boat. Weidman even had his hands down right in front of Silva and he pushed Silva back with his head because it's not what Anderson was prepared for. Anderson expected Weidman to freeze up or miss a huge punch and he intended to do so by "clowning around" and using head movement respectively.
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