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Old 07-08-2013, 04:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
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How is the relationship between Anderson and Demian any of your business?

The Okami thing is just delusional. Yeah he would totally purposefully get himself DQed in a fight he was winning. His actions were completely consistent with his explanation for them but he is a liar based on nothing.

It isn't that Anderson doesn't do "disrespectful" or douchebag things it is that it doesn't matter. Acting like an ass occasionally doesn't make you some evil person; we don't even know these guys on a personal level and the people that do seem to have a pretty high opinion of him.

The bottom line is these are people who entertain us there is no difference between an athlete and a clown to the consumer without some delusional and unrealistic moral standard being applied.

I don't like that he does that stuff because I want to have a beer with him I like it because he is an entertainer and it makes my viewing experience more enjoyable.

Edit: What Dana said is pretty much correct and all of you whining about respect sound ridiculous. You are a good guy for using physical violence on another human being but BOO HOO HE HURT MY FEELINGS I HATE HIM!! /weidman runs under his mothers dress and cries with snot dripping out of his nose.
Do you even know what people are talking about with the first okami fight? Anderson was pushing and FIGHTING with the ref trying to brutalize an illegally knocked out Okami.

No one is saying he DQd him on purpose or knowingly, it was what happened AFTER the unintentional DQ that was shady. The ref was clearly puling him off and blocking him, you NEVER fight the ref to beat on an unconcious opponent. Especially not if you pretend to be this respectful bowing mr miyagi type.

As for the original topic yes Silva is very much a disrespectful piece of shit, anyone not blinded by fanboyism has seen it for a long time.

However that said I expected Weidman to be the bigger man in victory, as he was during the weigh ins and in general. I really hope he doesn't let the belt go to his head like so many before him.

Also Dana doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about, he is a bald wannabe thug who couldn't beat a 15 yr old himself. He has no idea about he spirit of respect and humility in martial arts that makes a true focused warrior. Guys like GSP, Fedor, Velasquez, Aldo ... it's no coincidence they all share these same values.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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How is the relationship between Anderson and Demian any of your business?
We don't ignore ethnic slurs, especially when done in the middle of the Octagon in front of thousands of people. Plus he thought he could get away with it because he said it in Portugese.

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The Okami thing is just delusional. Yeah he would totally purposefully get himself DQed in a fight he was winning. His actions were completely consistent with his explanation for them but he is a liar based on nothing.
Huh? He was clearly winning the 90 seconds they fought when Okami took him down. I'm not talking about the DQ anyways I'm talking about the 15 seconds post DQ where the ref is breaking up the fight and holding him back from jumping on Okami. But did he not want to compete in the tournament...whose to say.

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It isn't that Anderson doesn't do "disrespectful" or douchebag things it is that it doesn't matter. Acting like an ass occasionally doesn't make you some evil person; we don't even know these guys on a personal level and the people that do seem to have a pretty high opinion of him. The bottom line is these are people who entertain us there is no difference between an athlete and a clown to the consumer without some delusional and unrealistic moral standard being applied.
Funny because that's my point, I think you are talking out of both sides of your mouth with this post.


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I don't like that he does that stuff because I want to have a beer with him I like it because he is an entertainer and it makes my viewing experience more enjoyable.

Edit: What Dana said is pretty much correct and all of you whining about respect sound ridiculous. You are a good guy for using physical violence on another human being but BOO HOO HE HURT MY FEELINGS I HATE HIM!! /weidman runs under his mothers dress and cries with snot dripping out of his nose.
You took a 180 from one position to the other. I'm not whining over Anderson's behavior I don't approve of it because it's douchebag behavior. My problem is and has always been the moral inconsistency towards a fighters actions and their words. I mean this is a thread about Weidman calling Anderson disrespectful when he's been disrespectful, yet many people like you seem to think it's disrespectful for Weidman to call him out on it. I mean their is a degree circular logic that is downright irritating and it's been going on since Weidman entered the title mix. Every word Weidman's said has been combed over and blown out of proportion while the man he is so called "disrespecting" has spent the last ten years acting like a jackass.
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We don't ignore ethnic slurs, especially when done in the middle of the Octagon in front of thousands of people. Plus he thought he could get away with it because he said it in Portugese.
If an ethnic slur is used the location shouldn't matter but I find it very hard to be upset by Anderson calling Maia "playboy", from reading the article it seems that it would be similar if he said to Chael during their second fight, "Come on, hit me in the face rich boy!". Would that bother you?

To be upset that he said it in Portugese, to another native Portugese speaker is ridiculous. If you were fighting another English speaker in Thailand would you try your best to trash talk to him in Thai? I sure wouldn't.

You must hate the Diaz brothers and Chael.

(I understand you wouldn't really fit in the above scenario based on your views of what Anderson said to Demian, but you should get the point regardless.)
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:42 AM   #14 (permalink)
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That's a horrible perspective on the situation. If a Brazlian feels he was ethnically slurred by another Brazilian it is not my or your place to act like it doesn't count. My feelings or your feelings don't matter and to think that they do is a form of severe cultural ignorance.

Also not an isolated incident or as I would remind you of the time he kissed Weidman, struck Chael, and tried to beat on the official and Okami post DQ. The guy has had a pattern of jack ass behavior, and it wouldn't be an issue for me if the poor sods he's facing aren't being held to an absurd and hypocritical standard.

Anderson likes to screw with people, I don't think he's the devil but you know what I'm not doing and what I haven't been doing. I haven't spent the last six months combing through every word Chris Weidman has said and turned it into him being a whiner, disrespectful, unworthy and all the other crap that came with his title shot.

It sickens me when I see guys like Weidman, Macdonald, Jones, and Hendricks get ripped to shreds by keyboard warriors for a poor use of verbiage or a non-political comment. Yet actual bad actions by "fan-friendly fighters" are either encouraged, ignored, or excused.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Dude people get offended by some pretty minor shit these days.. You remember that old nursery rhyme, Ba Ba Black Sheep? They had to change that to Ba Ba Rainbow Sheep because it was apparently deemed racist by some people. I can't pander to every soft cock out there.

Yeh, he's done some questionable things in his career. I'm not trying to say he's a saint. I'm a fan of his fighting, I don't base him as a role model for my life but it I definitely feel that it is a stretch to claim that calling someone "richboy" or "playboy" is even minorly offensive.

I've heard 4 year olds come up with better than that.

Then again I live in a country where we call our mates 'cunts' and strangers 'mate'.

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I don't see anything wrong with what Weidman said. Anderson is a disrespectful piece of shit, this is not new to anyone.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:48 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Dude people get offended by some pretty minor shit these days.. You remember that old nursery rhyme, Ba Ba Black Sheep? They had to change that to Ba Ba Rainbow Sheep because it was apparently deemed racist by some people. I can't pander to every soft cock out there.

Yeh, he's done some questionable things in his career. I'm not trying to say he's a saint. I'm a fan of his fighting, I don't base him as a role model for my life but it I definitely feel that it is a stretch to claim that calling someone "richboy" or "playboy" is even minorly offensive.

I've heard 4 year olds come up with better than that.

Then again I live in a country where we call our mates 'cunts' and strangers 'mate'.

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Yeah but your from Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist_slurs

Like if I call someone a Gin Jockey in America they might think he's calling me a drunk, but a Gin Jocky where your from means

Gin jockey
(AUS) a white person having casual sex with an Aboriginal woman. Pejorative. See also gin burglar

The point is if two Australia's are fighting and one guy says that and the other guy freaks out, I'm not going to say hold on there little fella that's not a real slur.

It's not my place to mitigate another cultures racial issues.
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Yeah but your from Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist_slurs

Like if I call someone a Gin Jockey in America they might think he's calling me a drunk, but a Gin Jocky where your from means

Gin jockey
(AUS) a white person having casual sex with an Aboriginal woman. Pejorative. See also gin burglar

The point is if two Australia's are fighting and one guy says that and the other guy freaks out, I'm not going to say hold on there little fella that's not a real slur.

It's not my place to mitigate another cultures racial issues.

lol ive never heard of 'gin jockey' and im 33, just sayin

but your right about one thing, we are pretty racist here. its just not as in your face
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Yeah but your from Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist_slurs

Like if I call someone a Gin Jockey in America they might think he's calling me a drunk, but a Gin Jocky where your from means

Gin jockey
(AUS) a white person having casual sex with an Aboriginal woman. Pejorative. See also gin burglar

The point is if two Australia's are fighting and one guy says that and the other guy freaks out, I'm not going to say hold on there little fella that's not a real slur.

It's not my place to mitigate another cultures racial issues.
In australia we just call each other cun..t faces all the time like it's saying grace at the dinner table
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We don't ignore ethnic slurs, especially when done in the middle of the Octagon in front of thousands of people. Plus he thought he could get away with it because he said it in Portugese.



Huh? He was clearly winning the 90 seconds they fought when Okami took him down. I'm not talking about the DQ anyways I'm talking about the 15 seconds post DQ where the ref is breaking up the fight and holding him back from jumping on Okami. But did he not want to compete in the tournament...whose to say.



Funny because that's my point, I think you are talking out of both sides of your mouth with this post.




You took a 180 from one position to the other. I'm not whining over Anderson's behavior I don't approve of it because it's douchebag behavior. My problem is and has always been the moral inconsistency towards a fighters actions and their words. I mean this is a thread about Weidman calling Anderson disrespectful when he's been disrespectful, yet many people like you seem to think it's disrespectful for Weidman to call him out on it. I mean their is a degree circular logic that is downright irritating and it's been going on since Weidman entered the title mix. Every word Weidman's said has been combed over and blown out of proportion while the man he is so called "disrespecting" has spent the last ten years acting like a jackass.
Not an ethnic slur and that seemed like some personal shit between the two that is none of my business.

He didn't try to beat up Okami after the fight for 15 seconds otherwise he would have beaten up Okami after the fight. He got up and circled never taking his eyes off of Okami and tried once to go towards him and the ref grabbed him by the waste and he stopped. Then he started talking to the ref and mimicking what happened; he clearly was confused about the situation. You are acting like he was flailing at Okami for 15 seconds with the ref trying to pull him off the entire time.

I didn't change my position at all and it is a thread about Weidman calling him a piece of shit not saying something was disrespectful. I said that Andy does some douchebag things and Weidman is acting like an infant.

Lets compare their responses to what happened in the fight shall we.

Anderson gets his head bludgeoned in and his response is.



Weidman gets kissed on the cheek and a little chicken dance and his response is.



Andy isn't humble and doesn't share his building blocks and is thus a bad guy but where is the moral outrage for Weidman who wasn't gracious and humble in victory and is acting like a child. I am pointing out the disparity in other peoples reactions. I didn't say anything about being upset with Weidman being disrespectful to Anderson I said it is stupid to cry about getting your feelings hurt in a fist fight.
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