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Old 07-08-2013, 09:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Matt Hughes had to fight again before he rematched GSP. Rich Franklin had to fight twice before rematching Silva.
Hughes undefeated streak was what... 6 when GSP beat him first? I think GSP's was around the same when he lost to Serra. Rich's was actually longer, 8, but several not in the UFC. Silva's was 17, 16 of which in the UFC, 15 as a champ.

Not really comparable. Also Silva is 38 years old, far older than any of these guys have been when holding a title. If Dana asks him to take a non-title warmup or two, how old will he be by the time the Weidman fight gets set up again? Dana's already pushing for a date almost six months out.

Not to mention this is a rematch the fans really want to see I think.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:28 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't think we can accurately predict what will happen in a rematch. It's safe to say that Weidman may still have an advantage on the ground. But will Silva be able to defend the takedowns the second time around?

He was able to defend a bit in the first fight. And how will the striking go? Imagine if Silva was focused on landing shots instead of simply trying to dodge Weidman!

The second fight may as well be a do-over. I don't really think the first fight can tell us much about how the rematch will go.
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Hughes undefeated streak was what... 6 when GSP beat him first? I think GSP's was around the same when he lost to Serra. Rich's was actually longer, 8, but several not in the UFC. Silva's was 17, 16 of which in the UFC, 15 as a champ.

Not really comparable. Also Silva is 38 years old, far older than any of these guys have been when holding a title. If Dana asks him to take a non-title warmup or two, how old will he be by the time the Weidman fight gets set up again? Dana's already pushing for a date almost six months out.

Not to mention this is a rematch the fans really want to see I think.
This is a silly argument. Silva's reign was unprecedented so the rematch makes sense? Since his reign was unprecedented you could say anything makes sense. But UFC history has shown that long reigning champions, once they lose their belt, aren't guaranteed an immediate rematch. Tito was never able to rematch Couture.


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Old 07-08-2013, 10:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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This is a silly argument. Silva's reign was unprecedented so the rematch makes sense? Since his reign was unprecedented you could say anything makes sense. But UFC history has shown that long reigning champions, once they lose their belt, aren't guaranteed an immediate rematch. Tito was never able to rematch Couture.


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I really actually do think that a massively unprecedented reign does deserve a rematch and lol at bringing up Tito. What was his longest win streak? SIX. So anyway. Silva's streak as champ in the UFC is 2-3 times that of anyone else right now.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Weidman, the current MW champion, offered Anderson the instant rematch even before his title fight. Dana, the Boss, said OK also before UFC 162. If Anderson decides to accept the rematch, there's no debate, no whining about others on the line, he not deserving a rematch or needing to fight one or two times again like others. There's only "suck it up" and pick who you'll root for, because these three parties are the ones entitled to make this decision and that's it.

We shall see if Anderson will pick some motivation now he has been dethroned and accept that. If he does, and wins, he'll have another personal record for him. He'll be the two time UFC MW Champion.
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I'll take your word for it but seems like guys that try that always seem to lose top position.
well yeah, obviously you give up top position. Which would be a mistake for a BJJ guy to do to a wrestler but a wrestler doing it on a BJJ guy is not really that big of a deal as a BJJ guy holding down a wrestler is nearly impossible.
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I really actually do think that a massively unprecedented reign does deserve a rematch and lol at bringing up Tito. What was his longest win streak? SIX. So anyway. Silva's streak as champ in the UFC is 2-3 times that of anyone else right now.
I don't really think you should count Silva's fights that weren't title defenses as part of his "reign" or championship streak. As a champion, Silva defended his belt 10 consecutive times, which is still the most all-time, but GSP is close behind at 8 straight title defenses, and Jon Jones is already halfway to 10 title defenses at 25 years old. Aldo also currently has 6 straight title defenses if you count his defenses in the WEC. It is reasonable to expect that GSP, Jones, and Aldo will each have a few more successful title defenses (although GSP is questionable with Hendricks on the horizon), so if the UFC decides that a reign as champion like Silva's warrants an automatic rematch, then pretty soon we will have a situation where in basically half of the divisions in the UFC a challenger will essentially need to defeat the champion twice in order to actually be the new champion. I personally don't think that's right.
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Are people really questioning IF Silva deserves a rematch?

He does deserve one, Weidman has continued to say that he expects to give him one, and we all know as sure as hell the UFC wants one. The only person who will stop it is Silva. If he sticks to his message and doesn't take it, then so be it. Who would really think less of him? The man finally has a break and doesn't HAVE to fight because he is defending a belt, he really can pick and choose his fights right now. If he decides tonight that he wants to fight JBJ at UFC 165 I won't doubt that the UFC will tell Gustaffson "Sorry bud, Silva has spoken".

To the point of the thread though, I really doubt the rematch would happen that soon to be honest. Silva wants the time off. I could see it being that Weidman has a title defense before Silva asks for his rematch.
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I don't buy this talk by Silva of not wanting championship fights. He knows Jones would beat him and GSP wants the fight even less now that Silva has aleady lost some invincible sheen.

The only place to go is a rematch or fight nobodies until he retires.

I hope the rematch happens. Maybe the whole "only anderson beat anderson" talk will finally go away if weidman beats him again, more likely on the ground this time with a more cautious Anderson on the feet.. Then again, maybe it won't. Maybe it will be tagged off to age or injury or some such excuse.
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I only want to see a rematch if Anderson Silva takes the fight seriously. I don't want to waste a PPV with Anderson clowning around if he doesn't want to fight for the title anymore.
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