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This guy writes the best recaps. Very eloquent and spot on. The key was Ray telling his student to "punch a hole through his chest." I'll be waiting for his interview as well about the combination and strategy. To me at the time that backhand seemed like an instinctual move. If he trained that particular combination then he gets even more credit. Cuz he just laid a VERY SPECIFIC trap for the GOAT that's the equivalent of a million dollar jackpot.

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Looking back at Saturday's shocking Chris Weidman vs. Anderson Silva bout...

It still hasn’t sunk in that for the first time since 2006, there is a new middleweight champion in the UFC. That’s not melodrama, not a moment to sigh for the “good ol’ days,” just a realization that the MMA landscape has changed quite considerably since Chris Weidman’s second round knockout of Anderson Silva on Saturday night.

You could go even further and say the sports landscape has changed, because I’ve never woke up to so many texts from friends who are casual fans at best asking about the fight, or had so many people at the airport see the UFC on my bag and ask what happened with that Silva guy.

So what happened? He gave Weidman his chin on a platter and the New Yorker took it. It doesn’t get any simpler than that. Silva didn’t show up to the MGM Grand Garden Arena and fight like a 38-year-old is expected to, aging overnight. He wasn’t steamrolled by the New Yorker and pounded into a one-sided defeat. No. He dropped his hands, showboated, and stuck out his chin like he had so many times before. But this time his sin of leaning straight back to avoid a punch caught up to him.

This wasn’t the Forrest Griffin fight, where he pulled off the same antics and wound up knocking the newly minted UFC Hall of Famer out. This wasn’t his bout with Demian Maia, where his venomous taunts were only addressed in the closing stages of the fight, when it was too late. Weidman was young, fast, determined, and – for the moment – angry at being clowned by the Brazilian legend. He was going to keep punching until he hit something, and when I spoke to Weidman’s longtime coach Ray Longo Saturday night, he said his advice to his charge was to stop aiming for Silva’s chin and instead “punch a hole in his chest.” When Weidman followed that advice, his hole punching intentions strayed upward, found Silva’s jaw, and seconds later, it was game over for a reign that lasted over seven years and ten successful title defenses.

That’s the bad news. The good news is that the 185-pound weight class is suddenly wide open, Silva’s Hall of Fame worthy legacy doesn’t take a hit, and he appears that he is still a threat to not just return to his winning ways, but to regain his title should a rematch take place. And yeah, that rematch will make him a boatload of money.

The other positive to take from the upset is an obvious one - the arrival of Chris Weidman.

As a New Yorker, I’ve been hearing about Weidman long before he made his UFC debut, and when there were some scoffing at him making his UFC debut after just four fights (and on short notice no less), those here on the east coast smirked. He was ready for the UFC, and his first five fights (and wins) here proved it.

But after nine pro bouts, is anyone ready for Anderson Silva?

When asked about the fight in the days and weeks leading up to UFC 162, I said that Weidman has the talent to beat Silva, but I wasn’t sure that he had the experience. When all you’ve seen since June of 2006 is brilliance, with the exception of two rough outings with Chael Sonnen (both of which Silva finished anyway), there wasn’t much to hang your hat on when it came to calling for the upset other than Weidman’s wrestling-based style and the idea that eventually Father Time catches up to all fighters.

My theory was that the only one that could beat Anderson Silva was Anderson Silva. And I was right. Just not in the way I expected. The way I saw it, Silva’s greatest tool was his ability to translate his talent into a confidence in the Octagon where he didn’t believe that someone had the nerve to, as Mike Tyson once said, “challenge me with their primitive skills.” The man Silva dethroned for the 185-pound title, Rich Franklin, told me that Silva makes “good fighters look bad,” and I’ve never heard a more accurate breakdown of the 16-0 start to his UFC career.

Weidman believed though, and as early as his first couple UFC fights, he knew he had what it took to beat Silva. It wasn’t a ploy to get the fight made, pick up a nice payday, and fade away into life as a mid-tier contender. He really thought he could win. Even through all the pre-fight hype, through being picked by several peers to win, and through all the fight week festivities, Weidman kept focused and stuck to what he had envisioned a thousand times in his head: winning the title.

And while the first round went well enough for Weidman on the ground, by the end of the round, Silva was standing, taunting, whipping the crowd into a frenzy, and appearing to get into Weidman’s head.

The Brazilian looked to be in complete control at the moment, and it carried over into the second round. And that’s where he lost his way and lost his title, allowing his confidence to sway into arrogance. You could say that his reflexes aren’t as sharp at 38 as they were ten years ago, but I’m not buying that as an excuse. What I saw was a Silva forgetting that as good as he is, everyone he faces in the Octagon with four ounce gloves has the talent to put his lights out. On Saturday night, Chris Weidman did just that. It was shocking, but it wasn’t a fluke. And while it’s not the way you want to see any great champion go out, I’ve got a feeling it won’t be his final exit. http://www.ufc.ca/news/Weidman-Silva-Musings
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While the focus on last Saturday's UFC 162 event was understandably on the main event between Chris Weidman and Anderson Silva, there was plenty of notable action on the evening’s undercard, as you’ll realize when you read on…

BACK IN THE SADDLE

If there’s one thing that stood out to me about Frankie Edgar’s return to the win column for the first time since 2011 against Charles Oliveira, it’s that at this point, it doesn’t look like Edgar will ever be in an “easy” fight again. I know, I know, there are no easy fights in the Octagon, but Edgar’s battles are seemingly going to be tougher than most. In the lanky Oliveira, the New Jersey native had a nightmare matchup in front of him physically and stylistically, but in a return to his pre-2012 form, he found a way to win. He was sharp, he pressed when he needed to press, and he avoided the ever-present danger Oliveira is known for giving. Of course, Edgar had some dicey moments and there was some blood flowing, but that’s a Frankie Edgar fight. It’s what he’s become known for and it’s why the fans love him. So what’s next? There’s a ton of intriguing matchups for him, but why not Edgar vs. Cub Swanson in a title eliminator? Who wouldn’t pay to see that one?

LEBEN

One of my favorite fighters over the years, in and out of the Octagon, has been Chris Leben. In the Octagon, he’s a free-swinging throwback to the early days of the sport, and outside of it, his brutal honesty and candor is a welcome reprieve from cliché and safe answers by pro athletes. Of course, sluggers don’t usually have the shelf life other fighters do, and for Leben to make it to 21 UFC fights is an accomplishment in itself. But having said that, it was painful watching Leben trying to beat Andrew Craig last weekend. Unable to take Craig down, Leben got picked apart from the outside by the Texan en route to a decision loss. For me, it wasn’t the same Chris Leben in Vegas that night. You could chalk it up to him getting acclimated to his new team, Alliance MMA, or to him getting a style he wasn’t prepared for from Craig. You could also say that the wars finally caught up to “The Crippler.” But I’m not prepared to write his fistic eulogy just yet. Let’s see him in there one more time and see what he has left before pen hits paper on the still fairly young (32 years old) Leben.

THE FILIPINO WRECKING MACHINE IS BACK IN BUSINESS

Anyone who knows or has even had the opportunity to spend a few minutes with Mark Munoz will say without question that he is one of the nicest people, not just in MMA but in the world. So with that alone, it was good to see him back in the win column against another one of the sport’s good guys, Tim Boetsch. But all that aside, what we saw Saturday night was a rejuvenated force that looks to be ready for another run up the middleweight ladder. Previous runs were cut short by losses to Yushin Okami (2010) and Chris Weidman (2012), and at 35, he has to make things count now. A Weidman rematch seems far off considering the new champ’s expected rematch with Anderson Silva and other folks (Vitor Belfort and Michael Bisping) waiting ahead of him in line, but a couple fights against maybe a Costa Philippou or a Jacare Souza could move him closer if he could win both. And given his performance on Saturday, he’s got a good shot at doing just that.

CUB’S CLINIC

I’ll say it right now, and you won’t convince me otherwise: Cub Swanson has the best boxing in the featherweight division, and maybe the sport. And it’s no accident either. Working with the likes of renowned trainer Joel Diaz, welterweight champion Tim Bradley, and former Olympian Vicente Escobedo, among others, Swanson has immersed himself in the sweet science and the results speak for themselves, as he’s unbeaten in his last five bouts, with four of those wins by knockout. He’s not beating stiffs either, as his resume reads George Roop, Ross Pearson, Charles Oliveira, Dustin Poirier, and Dennis Siver. That run should put him on the very, very short list of fighters in line for the 145-pound crown. Yeah, I know current champ Jose Aldo beat him in eight seconds in 2009. That was over four years ago, and that Cub Swanson couldn’t hold a candle to the current version. A rematch with Aldo or a fight with Chan Sung Jung (if he can beat Aldo in their UFC 163 bout) would be something to see.

BARBOZA AND THE ART OF THE LEG KICK

It may not be appropriate to call something so painful an art, but when Edson Barboza delivers a kick to the leg – and another, and another – it’s hard not to appreciate the precision, the technique, and the devastating effects of what he does. On Saturday, Barboza delivered a frightful beating to the leg of Rafaello Oliveira en route to a second round TKO victory, once again putting a dent in the misguided theory that leg kicks don’t win fights. And while it looks painful from outside the cage, it’s a thousand times worse to the one on the receiving end. I remember talking to former heavyweight boxer Ray Mercer when he began dabbling in K-1 and MMA. His thoughts after his first K-1 match against Musashi in 2004: “I wore shoes, so the guys I fought knew I wasn’t gonna kick, even though I didn’t know how to kick, and they knew I didn’t know how to block anything. They let me have it. I couldn’t walk for three days after that. It was painful; oh Lord, it was very painful. Them guys are made of something special.” And that’s from someone not trained to deal with such kicks. Oliveira is a veteran pro and a UFC fighter. And he still couldn’t avoid Barboza’s assault. That’s scary. http://www.ufc.ca/news/UFC-162-Musings-Part-Two
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Another day another lame write up.

Anderson Silva did not beat Anderson Silva like the article above states, Weidman beat Anderson Silva because Weidman had Silva's number and Silva could not do a thing about it.
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Another day another lame write up.

Anderson Silva did not beat Anderson Silva like the article above states, Weidman beat Anderson Silva because Weidman had Silva's number and Silva could not do a thing about it.
Was that before or after he dropped his hands and went full Bonnarson Silva?
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Was that before or after he dropped his hands and went full Bonnarson Silva?
Before he dropped his hands he was hit with that first left hook. Weidmans ground and pound set it up because Silva did not have that 100% fresh head or legs when he was knocked out.
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Was that before or after he dropped his hands and went full Bonnarson Silva?
Another excuse.

The bottom line is that Weidman sized up Silva, at no point during the fight was Weidman not in control because Weidman was mentally prepared for Silva as well, despite Silva's attempt(s) to throw Weidman off with the taunting. Before the KO Weidman was also tagging Silva in the face with counters after Silva was catching air with his strikes.

Weidman had Silva's number in every way, not only on the ground. It could not be more apparent.
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Another excuse.

The bottom line is that Weidman sized up Silva, at no point during the fight was Weidman not in control because Weidman was mentally prepared for Silva as well, despite Silva's attempt(s) to throw Weidman off with the taunting. Before the KO Weidman was also tagging Silva in the face with counters after Silva was catching air with his strikes.

Weidman had Silva's number in every way, not only on the ground. It could not be more apparent.
I stated in the official Vs thread that Anderson finally lost his own game, and Weidman backed up his complete lack of fear. Anderson lost because Weidman beat him, there is not other way to say that. However, I'm sorry my man, but saying Weidman had his number is just stupid. The fight was on the ground for barely anytime at all, time in which Chris did nothing to speak of and Anderson got up from pretty quickly. The rest of the fight, Anderson was toying with him like a new training parter.

Anderson lost because Chris beat him, no doubt. But to say he "had is number", you're stretching pretty far there.

With two losses, Chael still has a better case for that argument than Chris.
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Anderson said himself that he fought according to his gameplan, and a big part was to taunt and get Weidman to stand and trade with him. Weidman said that they had prepared for the taunting and knew what to do.

But I guess, you the fan, know better than the actual people who fought.
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Weidman Knew you never go FULL Bonnarson Silva
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I stated in the official Vs thread that Anderson finally lost his own game, and Weidman backed up his complete lack of fear. Anderson lost because Weidman beat him, there is not other way to say that. However, I'm sorry my man, but saying Weidman had his number is just stupid. The fight was on the ground for barely anytime at all, time in which Chris did nothing to speak of and Anderson got up from pretty quickly. The rest of the fight, Anderson was toying with him like a new training parter.

Anderson lost because Chris beat him, no doubt. But to say he "had is number", you're stretching pretty far there.

With two losses, Chael still has a better case for that argument than Chris.

Disagree completely.


Weidman took Silva down and kept him on the ground for roughly half of the first round, punched him in the face repeatedly and even attempted to sub him. After that when the fight went back to stand up Weidman was still connecting even though Silva was trying to evade Weidman's strikes. Weidman then went on to knock out Silva cold in the second round at Silva's game.

On the flip side Silva landed a few leg kicks, stuffed a take down and taunted Weidman. That's it.


Weidman had Silva's number throughout the entire fight and it's not a stretch at all to make that statement.
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But I guess, you the fan, know better than the actual people who fought.
also better than actual trainers, professionals, people who dedicated their life to the sport.

but the "casual" fan knows better

this is what bugs me the most in this "debate" people make stuff up, even tho those involved and those "in the know" all agree on what happened.
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