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Jose Aldo (c) 23 76.67%
Chan Sung Jung 7 23.33%
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:10 PM   #111 (permalink)
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If you punch someone in the face and thy are visibly impacted (rocked/hurt) then go for the kill to the face, how is that any different then if you get in a punch/counter punch exchange and see your opponent visibly impacted (hurt/reeling) then going for the kill at their weak point?

If Zombie had known Aldo was hurt and went for it, that would of been very smart because it would of helped him do what he was there to do, win the fight. Jose understands what he and his opponent are there to do.

I think people are overreacting with the celebration thing. He was in a huge fight main event for the title in his home. You can't put binders on peoples emotions in the moment, he was competing in a good fight where anything can happen, he pulled though over 15 minutes with a foot he knew was bum not allowing him to use all his tools. I think he was proud to be able to still do what he was able to to secure the win. And I think if aldo had not thrown the left counter to Jung's right, the shoulder stays in place, it was not an independent incident.
The shoulder is already dislocated hitting it more doesn't make any sense. It isn't comparable to the head, liver, or legs. If your kneecap dislocated the fight would be over. Having that happen to your shoulder just makes you more vulnerable to damage in other areas and less able to do damage yourself.

You shouldn't automatically attack where an injury is you should attack where the openings are that injury creates. If someone can't get their hands up because of a dislocated shoulder or a liver blow hit them in the face.
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The shoulder is already dislocated hitting it more doesn't make any sense. It isn't comparable to the head, liver, or legs. If your kneecap dislocated the fight would be over. Having that happen to your shoulder just makes you more vulnerable to damage in other areas and less able to do damage yourself.

You shouldn't automatically attack where an injury is you should attack where the openings are that injury creates. If someone can't get their hands up because of a dislocated shoulder or a liver blow hit them in the face.
Don't fighters automatically attack open cuts in order to augment the gash looking for a TKO or stoppage? How to measure and classify each fighter killing instinct to stop the fight? An opportunity is an opportunity. We can't blame Aldo for doing something legal when we have no clue KZ wouldn't do the same himself.
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Don't fighters automatically attack open cuts in order to augment the gash looking for a TKO or stoppage? How to measure and classify each fighter killing instinct to stop the fight? An opportunity is an opportunity. We can't blame Aldo for doing something legal when we have no clue KZ wouldn't do the same himself.
What are you talking about? I am not talking about morals. Cuts get worse; his shoulder isn't going to double dislocate if he kicks it. Hell he might knock it back in. It was an instinctual act but it was the wrong one; he should have immediately gone for the head.

I've noticed this about Aldo before. He has a poor understanding of what techniques he should be using in a lot of situations. The Florian fight is filled with bad choices which is why he couldn't finish. He kept using techniques that had zero chance of landing every time he sidestepped him. That is the fault of his coaches for the most part but he was unable to adjust once it became apparent that it wouldn't work.
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What are you talking about? I am not talking about morals. Cuts get worse; his shoulder isn't going to double dislocate if he kicks it. Hell he might knock it back in. It was an instinctual act but it was the wrong one; he should have immediately gone for the head.
Double dislocate? Knock the shoulder back in? Wrong act?

Have you ever dislocated something or twisted an ankle? Immobilization required for healing and to ease the pain. You get hit where it dislocated you are out of combat in seconds and that was what happened.

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I've noticed this about Aldo before. He has a poor understanding of what techniques he should be using in a lot of situations. The Florian fight is filled with bad choices which is why he couldn't finish. He kept using techniques that had zero chance of landing every time he sidestepped him. That is the fault of his coaches for the most part but he was unable to adjust once it became apparent that it wouldn't work.
Perfection is the goal, but unachievable. The thing is Aldo is unstoppable right now and his coaches are considered among the best in the world, specially Dede Pederneiras, who have been considered the very best MMA coach in the world in 2010. So if the amount of things you are doing right still surpasses the things you are doing wrong and are taking you to the win, I don't think an average fan should go that deep in criticism. It's working.
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If you punch someone in the face and thy are visibly impacted (rocked/hurt) then go for the kill to the face, how is that any different then if you get in a punch/counter punch exchange and see your opponent visibly impacted (hurt/reeling) then going for the kill at their weak point?

If Zombie had known Aldo was hurt and went for it, that would of been very smart because it would of helped him do what he was there to do, win the fight. Jose understands what he and his opponent are there to do.

I think people are overreacting with the celebration thing. He was in a huge fight main event for the title in his home. You can't put binders on peoples emotions in the moment, he was competing in a good fight where anything can happen, he pulled though over 15 minutes with a foot he knew was bum not allowing him to use all his tools. I think he was proud to be able to still do what he was able to to secure the win. And I think if aldo had not thrown the left counter to Jung's right, the shoulder stays in place, it was not an independent incident.
I think theres a big difference between attacking a weak point that YOU caused (like landing a good body kick and continuing at the body if the guy is hurt) and attacking a freak injury. How would Silva have looked had he rushed over and kicked Cote's knee? Like an asshole.

Even Chael Sonnen said regarding Bones' toe "no one wants to win that way, its not a real win." Aldo had no reason to celebrate.
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I think theres a big difference between attacking a weak point that YOU caused (like landing a good body kick and continuing at the body if the guy is hurt) and attacking a freak injury. How would Silva have looked had he rushed over and kicked Cote's knee? Like an asshole.

Even Chael Sonnen said regarding Bones' toe "no one wants to win that way, its not a real win." Aldo had no reason to celebrate.
So now it's definetely about morals. Ok.
KZ got hurt during an exchange, not alone in a misstep. Cote got immediately incapacitated. Even attacking his face at that moment would be an assh0le move. KZ continued to fight. Totally different examples.

Sonnen said "no one wants to win that way" but "he would grab that belt and celebrate regardless without looking back". Not that Sonnen is a reference for anything as it appears he would consider a win while under heavy TRT a "real win".

Aldo was fighting through injury and pain himself from the start, missing one of his best weapons, unsure if the back up plan would pay off against a tough opponent in KZ. I say in a battle between two handicapped warriors, the winner has legitimate reasons to celebrate.
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