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Mauricio "Shogun" Rua 13 34.21%
Chael Sonnen 23 60.53%
Draw 2 5.26%
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post #181 of 342 (permalink) Old 08-18-2013, 04:09 PM
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Read my post over and let it sink in before you run off with this Sonnen has returned hype junk. He will lose to top fighters at 205 or 185 like he always has.
What? He beat Bisping, Stan, Okami, Nate, Miller, Shogun, he's only lost to the #1 and #2 P4P best fighters in the world and he almost beat Anderson in the first fight. He lost to Maia but both are ground fighters and Maia is one of the best in the world there if not the best.

Sonnen has proved he's a top fighter in the UFC before, and him manhandling Shogun and finishing him in a single round (which nobody has ever done, btw) is just more proof of it. Shogun's last fights were against Henderson/Gus, two top of the top guys who shogun went to decision with, one of which is now fighting for the title.

Shogun isn't the killer top dog anymore, but he's still a competitive fighter who while fighting the top guys in the division gives them a good fight.
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What? He beat Bisping, Stan, Okami, Nate, Miller, Shogun, he's only lost to the #1 and #2 P4P best fighters in the world and he almost beat Anderson in the first fight...

...him manhandling Shogun and finishing him in a single round (which nobody has ever done, btw) is just more proof of it. Shogun's last fights were against Henderson/Gus, two top of the top guys who shogun went to decision with, one of which is now fighting for the title.
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While Sonnen put on a very fine performance and should be appropriately commended, I think people are overlooking the fact that Shogun is practically tailor made for him.

I balked at the people that thought Shogun would win and the results from last night more than proved my point. Shogun has bad wrestling, bad cardio, and terrible knees. He's had a fantastic career that should be celebrated but he ran into another elite fighter who was just a bad match up for him.

I can't imagine what is going through Shogun's head right now. A BJJ black belt from Brazil, and you lose to a guy fighting up a weight class, reviled by Brazilian fans, and a historically poor submission game by submission in the first round? That HAS to sting.
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Read my post over and let it sink in before you run off with this Sonnen has returned hype junk. He will lose to top fighters at 205 or 185 like he always has.
His last 2 losses in the last how many f***** years have been against only the GOAT and future GOAT. Ffs I'm sick of people hating on sonnen and being so biased. It was a solid win and he fought an excellent fight.
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What? He beat Bisping, Stan, Okami, Nate, Miller, Shogun, he's only lost to the #1 and #2 P4P best fighters in the world and he almost beat Anderson in the first fight. He lost to Maia but both are ground fighters and Maia is one of the best in the world there if not the best.

Sonnen has proved he's a top fighter in the UFC before, and him manhandling Shogun and finishing him in a single round (which nobody has ever done, btw) is just more proof of it. Shogun's last fights were against Henderson/Gus, two top of the top guys who shogun went to decision with, one of which is now fighting for the title.

Shogun isn't the killer top dog anymore, but he's still a competitive fighter who while fighting the top guys in the division gives them a good fight.
Coleman...by a bit of fluke. Interesting note. Only other fighters to submit Shogun is his own trainer Babalu with none other than a guillotine and Griffin as well.

A lot of old school fan favorites are getting upset lately. *smh*

Some people seem to lose to specific submissions.
Chael - triangle
Matt Hughes - arm bar
Shogun - guillotine
Kevin Randleman - every kind of submission

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This actually depresses the hell out of me and not just because Chael Sonnen won (trust me I really wanted to see him lose). Their was a time Shogun would have eaten guys like Sonnen for lunch. Last night, you would not think this was the same guy that won the 2005 Middleweight Grand Prix. Now it seems like he's getting his ass handed to him by everyone. So depressing.

As much as I hate to admit this (I mean really hate to admit it) but this was a good performance by Chael. Not ready to call him the best let. Miller, Bisping, and Stann don't exactly scream top tier. I'd like to see him fight Machida (hopefully the Nick Diaz fight doesn't happen) or maybe Rashad and see how he does. If he can beat those guys then I'll shallow my Pride and admit he is the best.

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What? He beat Bisping, Stan, Okami, Nate, Miller, Shogun, he's only lost to the #1 and #2 P4P best fighters in the world and he almost beat Anderson in the first fight. He lost to Maia but both are ground fighters and Maia is one of the best in the world there if not the best.

Sonnen has proved he's a top fighter in the UFC before, and him manhandling Shogun and finishing him in a single round (which nobody has ever done, btw) is just more proof of it. Shogun's last fights were against Henderson/Gus, two top of the top guys who shogun went to decision with, one of which is now fighting for the title.

Shogun isn't the killer top dog anymore, but he's still a competitive fighter who while fighting the top guys in the division gives them a good fight.

Whole bunch of mediocre and middle of the pack fighters you just named off there. Sonnen is not a top fighter at any weight class, he never was and never will be.


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His last 2 losses in the last how many f***** years have been against only the GOAT and future GOAT. Ffs I'm sick of people hating on sonnen and being so biased. It was a solid win and he fought an excellent fight.
Exactly, and he got smoked against those top fighters. Something which Sonnen isn't.
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Whole bunch of mediocre and middle of the pack fighters you just named off there. Sonnen is not a top fighter at any weight class, he never was and never will be.




Exactly, and he got smoked against those top fighters. Something which Sonnen isn't.
So he defeats every middle of the road fighter he's ever faced (Shogun is above that btw, but I'm using your view), so logic dictates he's not middle of the road, he's above that, right? So... where would that put him? Using some logic and common sense, wouldn't that make him in the upper echelon of fighters, someone who defeats middle of the road guys every time 'cause he's better than that, he's beyond them, he needs to be facing top competition cause he runs through anyone below that...right?

You have lower tier fighters, middle of the road fighters, and then what is above that? I'm curious to know where you put Sonnen at, he's obviously not a low tier fighter, obviously better than middle of the pack as he beats everyone he faces there (in your opinion that is, Shogun is actually better than that), so where is he placed?
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So he defeats every middle of the road fighter he's ever faced (Shogun is above that btw, but I'm using your view), so logic dictates he's not middle of the road, he's above that, right? So... where would that put him? Using some logic and common sense, wouldn't that make him in the upper echelon of fighters, someone who defeats middle of the road guys every time 'cause he's better than that, he's beyond them, he needs to be facing top competition cause he runs through anyone below that...right?

You have lower tier fighters, middle of the road fighters, and then what is above that? I'm curious to know where you put Sonnen at, he's obviously not a low tier fighter, obviously better than middle of the pack as he beats everyone he faces there (in your opinion that is, Shogun is actually better than that), so where is he placed?

Sonnen is good enough to beat cans, other middle of the pack fighters and fighters past their prime but not good enough to beat top fighters because when he has it's clear he was nowhere near that level.

It couldn't be more obvious that he's middle of the pack. Sonnen is a glorified Bonnar because of his mouth. And no Shogun is not above middle of the pack, he hasn't been since 2007.
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Sonnen is good enough to beat cans, other middle of the pack fighters and fighters past their prime but not good enough to beat top fighters because when he has it's clear he was nowhere near that level.

It couldn't be more obvious that he's middle of the pack. Sonnen is a glorified Bonnar because of his mouth. And no Shogun is not above middle of the pack, he hasn't been since 2007.
Lyoto Machida would disagree with you. That below middle of the pack gave Machida his first loss and won the UFC LHW title in the process. Tomato Cans don't KO fighters like Machida.

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