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Mauricio "Shogun" Rua 13 34.21%
Chael Sonnen 23 60.53%
Draw 2 5.26%
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lol yeah right you said it, back it up.

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Sonnen pretty much defeated Anderson in their first fight, and to even the odds, Anderson had to cheat to win in their second fight. As much as I like Shogun, he's going down.
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lol yeah right you said it, back it up.
His takedown defense rate in the UFC is something like 25%
The only people that come to mind that could rival a number that abysmal are Carlos Condit and Josh Neer.
I'm not trying to diminish anything that Shogun has done in his career, I'm just stating a simple fact, his wrestling sucks and it always has. His ground game is pretty overrated too. Who has he subbed off his back. Randleman? Get the **** out.

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His takedown defense rate in the UFC is something like 15%
The only people that come to mind that could rival a number that abysmal are Carlos Condit and Josh Neer.
I'm not trying to diminish anything that Shogun has done in his career, I'm just stating a simple fact, his wrestling sucks and it always has. His ground game is pretty overrated too. Who has he subbed off his back. Randleman? Get the **** out.

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hmm nope, I still think that is the most ridiculous post I've seen in my short time here, but way to pull some numbers out of your ass in an attempt to prove your point that Shogun is definitely the worst wrestler in the UFC, strong argument. But it's funny you think, "Shogun is the worst wrestler in the UFC, no exaggeration" needs to be dis proven. Thanks.

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hmm nope, I still think that is the most ridiculous post I've seen in my short time here, but way to pull some numbers out of your ass in an attempt to prove your point that Shogun is definitely the worst wrestler in the UFC, strong argument. But it's funny you think, "Shogun is the worst wrestler in the UFC, no exaggeration" needs to be dis proven. Thanks.


Shogun has a 34% takedown defense rate for his entire career. For an "elite" fighter, that is pretty low and very indicative of how bad his wrestling actually is. Shogun has been taken down 24 times in ten UFC fights and in his entire UFC career, there have been 34 attempted takedowns on Shogun. That's really, really low. Especially for an "elite" fighter.

Are you too scared to offer up an actual rebuttal?

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http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mauricio-Rua
http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/271

EDIT: Just realized I typed 15% instead of 25%, which is what I originally estimated.
The math indicates that Shogun's TDD in the UFC is roughly 29%. Pretty damn bad.
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Shogun has a 34% takedown defense rate for his entire career. For an "elite" fighter, that is pretty low and very indicative of how bad his wrestling actually is. Shogun has been taken down 24 times in ten UFC fights and in his entire UFC career, there have been 34 attempted takedowns on Shogun. That's really, really low. Especially for an "elite" fighter.

Are you too scared to offer up an actual rebuttal?

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http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/271

EDIT: Just realized I typed 15% instead of 25%, which is what I originally estimated.
The math indicates that Shogun's TDD in the UFC is roughly 29%. Pretty damn bad.
Takedown defense is not the best, and....

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Good knee Shogun was taken down at will by over the hill 45yo Coleman.
I see no problemas for TRT Sonnen to take bad knee Shogun down but i also can't see how Sonnen will avoid getting punched in the face

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Good knee Shogun was taken down at will by over the hill 45yo Coleman.
I see no problemas for TRT Sonnen to take bad knee Shogun down but i also can't see how Sonnen will avoid getting punched in the face
You mean the second fight? Shogun's knees were ****ed before that fight sir. He had already had two knee surgeries by the second Coleman fight.

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You mean the second fight? Shogun's knees were ****ed before that fight sir. He had already had two knee surgeries by the second Coleman fight.

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Not so sure about that. His knees seemed pretty fine in the 1st Machida fight.
I'm almost sure he became bad knee Shogun after Machida 2...

Edit - wiki, as good as that is when it comes to sources fide dignity, backs me on the timeline for the 2nd surgery:

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Due to the controversy of the decision, of his UFC 104 loss to Machida, a rematch was immediately announced and took place at UFC 113 on May 8, 2010 in Montreal, Canada. Rua won via knockout at 3:35 of round 1, after dropping Machida with a right and following up with punches on the ground, and was awarded the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship becoming the second fighter in MMA History to win a Pride Grand Prix Championship and a UFC Championship. Following the victory, Rua underwent surgery in June to repair a knee injured during the bout against Machida. Then, it was later revealed that Machida had entered their rematch with an injury to his left hand.

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