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Old 07-31-2013, 01:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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JBJ uses kicks more consistently than almost anyone at LHW. While he isn't throwing KO headkicks or punshing leg kicks a la Shogun, he uses them to keep distance. Because of this JBJ will also have a reach advantage in kicks as well. When he kicks he does it from further away because his end goal is to create distance rather than punish and hurt.
There is zero evidence that Bones leg reach is any longer then Gustafs. If Bones is close enough to kick Gus, then hes close enough to get kicked.
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:36 PM   #23 (permalink)
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There is zero evidence that Bones leg reach is any longer then Gustafs. If Bones is close enough to kick Gus, then hes close enough to get kicked.
Walk with me through this explanation since it appears you aren't getting what I am talking about (I'm probably not explaining my thoughts correctly). They are about a inch height difference, so their leg length should be close to even. So you are right that there is no reach advantage in terms of leg length, but just like with punches, the type of kick can also determine reach advantage. Just like Wandy's reach is no where near his actual arm length because he throws hooks instead of jabs, Jones has the reach advantage because his goal is to push rather than kick.

When Gus wants to kick JBJ he is going to have to step inside JBJ's reach to kick him because he wants to land with the side or front of his foot/shin. When JBJ wants to kick he will instead try to kick with the bottom of his foot putting him on the very outreach of Gus's kicking reach. Thus due to the goal of the kick it still leaves JBJ with a 2 or 3in to foot reach advantage.

My point is, even though Gus is the better striker, he still has a reach disadvantage no matter what that he is going to have to deal with. And he isn't fighting Struve who couldn't keep Barry from tagging him, he is fighting JBJ, arguable the best fighter in MMA right now and keeping distance rather than escaping to a safe distance (a la Machida).
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yes I am aware which is why I also said:



JBJ uses kicks more consistently than almost anyone at LHW. While he isn't throwing KO headkicks or punshing leg kicks a la Shogun, he uses them to keep distance. Because of this JBJ will also have a reach advantage in kicks as well. When he kicks he does it from further away because his end goal is to create distance rather than punish and hurt.

Gus may surprise me, but I really think that JBJ will create even more doubt for any future contenders off of how easily he will handle him.
I think you absolutely miss the point.

- Jones kicks for controlling the distance does not work if opponent has longer legs . He cannot throw a sidekick or knee cap kick without risking being hit himself. Jones starts these attacks from outside of the opponents reach which he can never ever do vs gus since Gus has longer legs.

- Jones cannot put his hands in front of Gus face because from that range Gus will only be one small step outside of punching range (and Gus has great footwork). Furthermore Gus will be inside kicking range when Jones is inside Jab or "finger in eyes" range. I think Gus could gamble abit on low kicks like Machida did.

- Knees will be harder to land for Jones than usual since Gustafsson is very tall.
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Furthermore, I think Jones way of throwing very long range kicks is just a strategy to use when you have a range advantage. I do not think he can just throw long range kick vs Gus because Gus has too long range and too good footwork for it to be done easily.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:32 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Walk with me through this explanation since it appears you aren't getting what I am talking about (I'm probably not explaining my thoughts correctly). They are about a inch height difference, so their leg length should be close to even. So you are right that there is no reach advantage in terms of leg length, but just like with punches, the type of kick can also determine reach advantage. Just like Wandy's reach is no where near his actual arm length because he throws hooks instead of jabs, Jones has the reach advantage because his goal is to push rather than kick.

When Gus wants to kick JBJ he is going to have to step inside JBJ's reach to kick him because he wants to land with the side or front of his foot/shin. When JBJ wants to kick he will instead try to kick with the bottom of his foot putting him on the very outreach of Gus's kicking reach. Thus due to the goal of the kick it still leaves JBJ with a 2 or 3in to foot reach advantage.

My point is, even though Gus is the better striker, he still has a reach disadvantage no matter what that he is going to have to deal with. And he isn't fighting Struve who couldn't keep Barry from tagging him, he is fighting JBJ, arguable the best fighter in MMA right now and keeping distance rather than escaping to a safe distance (a la Machida).
Sorry bro... but this sounds like a lot of nonsense to me. Just because they are the same height, it doesn't mean their leg length is "close to even". With the MMA world refusing to measure leg length, all we can do is speculate. But im sure as hell not going to assume all dudes of the same height have the same leg length.

Saying things like "this isnt Struve"? Whats that got to do with anything. Neither of these guys have ever fought at HW.

I could say Gus is not old washed up Rampage. Or scared Rashad. Or incey wincey Sonnen and Belfort. Gus is a hardcore iron chinned Viking beast with a nice arse. He has my backing.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I get it, people don't view the fight the same way I do, I can accept that. We will just have to wait till weigh-ins to try to get a side by side to see who has the longer legs, and fight time to see how it all plays out.

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Sorry bro... but this sounds like a lot of nonsense to me. Just because they are the same height, it doesn't mean their leg length is "close to even". With the MMA world refusing to measure leg length, all we can do is speculate. But im sure as hell not going to assume all dudes of the same height have the same leg length.
That was the point of my assumption. I was making an assumption since we do not have cold hard facts.

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Saying things like "this isnt Struve"? Whats that got to do with anything. Neither of these guys have ever fought at HW.
This is called a comparison. Struve, who is very tall, should be able to stay out of range of someone like Barry or Hunt since he enjoyed a nice height and reach advantage. Struve consistently fails in this area. I was saying JBJ is not like this. Not sure how you confused my statement.

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I could say Gus is not old washed up Rampage. Or scared Rashad. Or incey wincey Sonnen and Belfort. Gus is a hardcore iron chinned Viking beast with a nice arse. He has my backing.
Just like above, not sure where you got the idea that I was in any way insulting Gus. I like Gus, I have stated many times in this very thread I think he is the better striker. I just think he is going to lose, and badly.
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The leg length should be similiar give or take a couple of inches. The main factor is the technique of their leg kicks. Advantage Jones but Gustaffson has an amazing gift of closing distance probably better then Machida.
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