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Jon Jones is not evolving anymore

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#1 ·
Seriously guys.
I was thinking in the Jones/Gus staredown and what Gus should be doing when not in training.
If i was him, i'd be training, sleeping or when not doing any of those, i'd be watching Jon Jones full career fight videos, over and over again.
I'd come to this point, where i'm facing my opponent (me imagining i'm Gus) and i can visualize what he is gonna do in the ring. And i know it all and i own in his game.
Why? Because in the last 4/5 fights Jon Jones hasn't shown anything new.
Sure he's great and his game is very intelligent/effective,
but it's been the same since a while now.

I think that Jon Jones isn't evolving anymore.
He just coasted at a very high level and i can't see him going any higher than this...
 
#6 ·
What are you talking about?

This must be what people call a "troll" post.

Until someone finds a flaw and exploits it, I don't believe this garbage. Machida landed one or two nice punches and Vitor attempted a sub. That's about all the considerable damage done to JJ. I'd say that's impressive for the four years he's been in the UFC.

If i was him, i'd be training, sleeping or when not doing any of those, i'd be watching Jon Jones full career fight videos, over and over again.
How do you know what JJ does on his own time?
 
#7 ·
What makes you think he won't evolve anymore? He's 25 years old and has shown complete dominance in all his fights. At this age guys like Anderson/Fedor were only a few fights in their career and weren't even close to having any titles tied to their name. Jones is already the best LHW ever and has 5 title defenses.

My point being that he's evolved beyond most fighters today in a very short amount of time. There's no reason to not think that as he ages/fights he will get more techniques, more experience and refine his game. If anything I'd say he's evolving faster and at a higher rate than anyone else in MMA right now, the guy has been fighting for 5 years and is the most dominant LHW in the sports history and has 5 title defenses under his belt, I mean seriously, that's insane.
 
#13 ·
I've come to realize you see things in a slightly different light. True statement though.

OP is right to an extent, but maybe he doesn't really need to evolve at this point. There's a plateau eventually. The clinch guillotine or takedown, elbow smash will always be his bread and butter. Reminded of Tito when he was able to throw his weight around. I'd like to see him win by a standing KO though.
 
#16 ·
Wait so this new york monster isn't evolving anymore? well I should hope not because the no one will ever get a shot at hurting frankenstein arms.
 
#17 ·
Jones range lets him execute unorthodox strikes and partly because his opponents defend too much and are cautious of his takedowns. He has amazing standup because of his range.
Pettis is a world class striker but he doesnt have the range of Jones yet he is dominant in striking.

I think top strikers in MMA cannot be classed the same because every standout striker have personal physical attributes they evolved to be a level ahead of the normal calibre.
I fully expect Jones to get better then his level through learning better footwork, combinations, body memory and striking IQ. All MMA fighters are still evolving in all disciplines.

I personally think Mousasi is a guy who is very evolved in striking and could beat Jones standing.
 
#21 ·
I think he is evolving, just in ways we aren't seeing yet. Like I bet after the Vitor fight he evolved his sub defense game. Maybe he is practicing his bottom game? What we are probably going to find is that he is going to be put into a situation no one has seen him in before and he'll get out of it with ease. No way in hell Greg Jackson is letting JBJ even think he is anything close to the perfect fighter. It will always be something new.
 
#23 ·
Gus has been landing a lot of takedowns in recent fights but has been backing off to avoid great grapplers or BJJ experts. But here he is the underdog and should take risks. I wonder if he manage to tag Jones and take him down if he will commit and try to ground and pound or if he will let Jones up.

I think Gus has advantage AS LONG AS IN TOP POSITION vs Jones since I do not think Jones BJJ is stellar.

Weidman surprised everyone knocking Silva down when standing up. Will we be shocked again to see Gus land ground and pount and submit Gus from top position ?
 
#24 ·
If Gus somehow manages to knock him down I doubt Jones has a bottom game SO he should just wait away with elbows to cut him up badly just in case he isn't finished the cuts will affect Jones' for the rest of the fight. But that's a big if, Gus could be taken down easy by Jones in the clinch and Gus could be stupid enough to let Jones' reach matter when Chael clearly showed that it doesn't.
 
#30 ·
He doesnt need to change since nobody has been able to offer much for him. He does change up how he finishes people, though. I could tell you every time what Silva was going to do for a while and he did pretty eell. Also, spoilers, GSP will lay on Hendricks for 3.5 rounds and do jabs for 1.5 rounds.
 
#32 ·
I could see how you would think this about Jones, but he's looked nearly unflappable in the octagon. He definitely doesn't have that burning desire you could see in him before he was champ, he really wanted it. Even after it became a reality he wanted to be the best, but with Anderson at MW I think he really doubted he could ever get there, now that Anderson's gone and he's there by default I could see how all the flame that's been keeping Jon Jones going is dwindling. The question is how far will his will take him? We've seen him pull through against Vitor, so he's def not a quitter, I think he's still finding himself that's for sure.
 
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