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Old 09-12-2013, 03:35 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I know someone who is going to be very disappointed by this.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:38 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Brinsa has now been released from the UFC without ever having stepped foot in the Octagon. That has to be a first?


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Hector Lombard was signed and released before he fought in the octagon, I'm sure their were plenty of others over the years.

Anyways guess they found he was guilty.
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Quite a bit of Scottish mocking in this thread. I find it offensive. We are nothing like our stereotype.

Now excuse me while I leave this thread and go get blind ass drunk for as cheap as possible and cause some bother. Good day sirs.
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I was going to take a bit of a break from this site, but I really feel compelled to say something here:

This is proof that despite hearing the other side of the story and there being no evidence of negativity whatsoever, people will still punish you regardless of whether you are guilty or not. I've met Brinsa a few times and even trained with him on one occasion. He is a good young man. I was esctatic when I heard he had signed with the UFC as he has been one of my favourite fighters to watch from Germany. Very intelligent and very hard working. He has no affiliations with any silly Neo Nazi organisations and I wish people would know that.
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I was going to take a bit of a break from this site, but I really feel compelled to say something here:

This is proof that despite hearing the other side of the story and there being no evidence of negativity whatsoever, people will still punish you regardless of whether you are guilty or not. I've met Brinsa a few times and even trained with him on one occasion. He is a good young man. I was esctatic when I heard he had signed with the UFC as he has been one of my favourite fighters to watch from Germany. Very intelligent and very hard working. He has no affiliations with any silly Neo Nazi organisations and I wish people would know that.
Obviously there IS evidence and because of it, he was already banned from a German MMA promotion.

On the first page of this thread you have a photo, apparently, showing Brinsa together with "Ultras Lok" a group of Neo-Nazi football hooligans. On the banner they show written "Nationaler Widerstand" ("national resistance" - which is a Neo-Nazi network)

Then there is this video showing a masked Neo-Nazi hooligan, wearing a "Steinar" (Neo-Nazi label) sweater (~ 1:00, 3:00)



who, comparing his voice (tone, accent, lisp), inclined lips and the space width between his front teeth, shows quite some similarities to Brinsa:



And a German newspaper writes

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Denn Brinsa, wie aus dem Handelsregister beim Leipziger Amtsgericht hervorgeht, ist auch eingetragener Geschäftsführer der Firma A&B Service UG, die verantwortlich für die Website einer "Aryan Brotherhood" (Arische Brüderschaft) zeichnet. Mitgeschäftsführer ist Thomas Persdorf – und spätestens an diesem Punkt ist die Ebene der Nazi-Prominenz erreicht, denn Persdorf hat nicht nur eine Textildruckfabrik, in der rechte Kleidung hergestellt wird, sondern war auch Inhaber von Front Records, einem führenden Vertrieb von Nazi-Musik, Kleidung und sonstigen rechten Assessoires.
"According to Leipzig commercial register, Brinsa is the CEO of the A&B Service UG company, which was responsible for the Aryan Brotherhood website. Co-CEO Thomas Persdorf - a prominent Neo-Nazi - has a company for extreme rightwing clothes label and is the owner of "Front Records", one of the leading distributors of Nazi-music, clothes and accerssories."

http://www.taz.de/!89207/
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In the west, we get so judgmental of what we consider to be an offensive belief system. I'm sure there's plenty of UFC fighters who are adamant that Christianity is correct, and that other religions are diluted or represent falsehoods.

If someone in UFC said that white people should stick together, he'd be blasted for it. Jones said this the other way, and is UFC's poster boy.

The guy believes in the Nazi way and believes his race is superior. Rousey offends Caraway on a daily basis, Ben Henderson annoys people with his religious agendas, these things aren't a problem but the belief system of this dude that his race is superior crosses the line?

He's a fighter. If he's good enough and doesnt break the rules, let him fight.
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In the west, we get so judgmental of what we consider to be an offensive belief system. I'm sure there's plenty of UFC fighters who are adamant that Christianity is correct, and that other religions are diluted or represent falsehoods.

If someone in UFC said that white people should stick together, he'd be blasted for it. Jones said this the other way, and is UFC's poster boy.

The guy believes in the Nazi way and believes his race is superior. Rousey offends Caraway on a daily basis, Ben Henderson annoys people with his religious agendas, these things aren't a problem but the belief system of this dude that his race is superior crosses the line?

He's a fighter. If he's good enough and doesnt break the rules, let him fight.
I think the difference is that MOST churches (except for say Westboro Baptist types) nowadays don't espouse violence or outright hatred against other religions or belief systems, only theological disagreements or at worst pamphlets and protests, or say Rousey doesn't espouse genocide against all Caraways on the face of the earth, whereas MOST neo nazi groups actively espouse hatred and violence against other races.

There are exceptions on either side of course, but this is generally true on average. Take a walk through a random christian forum on the net, and you generally won't find exhortations to wipe out the vermin muslims or whatever with the boot of superior justice, but you will likely find that kind of thing on the neo nazi ones.

But I do agree that as long as Brinsa didn't actually have a criminal background to go with his beliefs, his beliefs however controversial shouldn't be a deciding factor.

However the UFC is pretty politically correct and them not wanting to deal with the media fallout of all this is not surprising ... if they suspended Meathead for his fallon fox comments, and fire Torres for his **** jokes, I don't think they'd want to touch this one with a ten foot pole. I think the entire non-white world is probably a bigger chunk of their audience than either women or the LGBT community.
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I think the difference is that MOST churches (except for say Westboro Baptist types) nowadays don't espouse violence or outright hatred against other religions or belief systems, only theological disagreements or at worst pamphlets and protests, or say Rousey doesn't espouse genocide against all Caraways on the face of the earth, whereas MOST neo nazi groups actively espouse hatred and violence against other races.
The bible itself is an insult towards other religions as it calls their deities false profits.

It, in itself, is a discriminatory statement to claim that this guy expressed hatred and violence because of his beliefs (not saying that you said that).

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There are exceptions on either side of course, but this is generally true on average. Take a walk through a random christian forum on the net, and you generally won't find exhortations to wipe out the vermin muslims or whatever with the boot of superior justice, but you will likely find that kind of thing on the neo nazi ones.
*Walks down EDL lane* . Yeah that's actually something of a debate from me. For controversy, I asked how Blackplanet.com wasn't racist, and how a white version would be. People directed me to Stormfront, but it'd seem that empowerment of white people always turns to hatred of non white people with clowns on those sites. White people suck.

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But I do agree that as long as Brinsa didn't actually have a criminal background to go with his beliefs, his beliefs however controversial shouldn't be a deciding factor.
Yeah I mean if he called someone a nigger or was racist towards someone in the company, or alternatively was convicted of a racial or otherwise offensive act, then fair enough.

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However the UFC is pretty politically correct and them not wanting to deal with the media fallout of all this is not surprising ... if they went out of their way so far to appease the LGBT audience with the suspension of Meathead for his fallon fox comments, or fire Torres for his **** jokes, I don't think they'd want to touch this one with a ten foot pole. I think the entire non-white world is probably a bigger chunk of their audience than either of those two groups.
I understand completely why UFC did it. Sponsors say they don't want a racist on their ranks, so the UFC have to cut them. I'm more so dissing the position they were put in over the company.
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This guy should be able to fight if he is a neo nazi or not imo. If he is a nazi, which I believe he is, he is just for the betterment of his own people. Much like every other cultural or racial group in the world. He's not out lynching minorities or putting jews in the gas chamber.
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