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Old 08-13-2013, 11:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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How do any of the guys that Bones' fought compare to JDS? His only loss is to the champion and he has torn through contender after contender his whole UFC career. Bones has fought a bunch of has beens, he's about to fight Gus who was already submitted by Phil Davis in the UFC.

if you forget about how they made their names and look specifically at the fights surrounding their title shots, Bones' defenses aren't as impressive as they initially seem.

The only guy that he's faced who was really in his prime was Bader (and Bader sucks) unless you want to count the MW Vitor (who's in a second prime due to TRT and GOD)


Cain V Machida would be just sad to watch. I don't like Lyoto but I don't want to see him on the verge of death either.

We're talking about a 235lb guy that throws around 280lb NCAA champs here, Bones has only ever faced opponents smaller than him. Cain has wrestled and fought with bigger men his whole life.
Big Nog is as has-been as they come. Stojnic, O'Brian, Morris and Lesnar aren't even in the UFC anymore. Kongo was 5 seconds away from knocking Cain out. JDS did knock Cain out in Rd 1.

Yet it is Jones who has been facing and crushing has-beens, when most of his opponents are still ranked top 10?

And if Gustaf being subbed by a top 10 like Davis makes him suck then JDS must be terrible because he was submitted by some can named Mamute. Actually Anderson must be the worst fighter of all time then because he was subbed by not one but two complete cans.

Cain didn't throw around any 280 lber, he got taken down, got up, tagged him and then kept on him. Toss Lesnar around he did not. Cain has great aggression and drive but lets not pretend Lesnar wasn't a guy who folded at the first real punch. Jones does not.

This fight won't happen for a while if ever, but properly bulked up and in the correct mindset, my money would be on Jones. I think JDS is actually the worse matchup for him at HW and I still see a bulked up Jones taking that more often than not.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:42 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I usually agree with you but I'd have to put my money on Cain. Don't see how Jones can keep him away, Jones is best when he's on top or pushing guys back but against Cain I don't see that happening at any point, Cain has the kind of strength that Jones might never have.

I see it the other way, JDS is easier for Jones because he can just close the distance and wrestle but not against Cain.
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Cain didn't throw around any 280 lber, he got taken down, got up, tagged him and then kept on him. Toss Lesnar around he did not.
He didn't toss him but he took him down fairly easily.

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Because the HW division is an unproven division. Cain's biggest wins in his career are jds and lesnar..
His best wins are Nog, Lesnar, Bigfoot X2 and JDS.

If for whatever retarded reason you're going to exclude them from it then you have to exclude Shogun,Rampage and Sonnen from Jones'.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:28 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Because the HW division is an unproven division. Cain's biggest wins in his career are jds and lesnar. Jones has beat rashad, rampage, lyoto, vitor, chael, bader, and shogun. Literally everyone that he could possibly beat he did. And to each their own also. When rashad became champ people thought he was just too good. Then machida beat him and people thought he was just too good. Then shogun beat machida and everyone thought he was just too good (bar the knee injury). What im saying is the people jones has beat were all looked at by many people as someone that was going to reign to division for a long time. And not only did he beat them, he completely dominated them.
Literally none of those guys you mention have looked impressive in years, aside from Vitor who is a MW.

While they were once at the level of a JDS, they are not in the prime of their careers like JDS currently is. After Bones beats Glover and Gus i'll give him more credit.

I would be happy to take any bets regarding Cain V Bones when it comes around.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:03 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Literally none of those guys you mention have looked impressive in years, aside from Vitor who is a MW.

While they were once at the level of a JDS, they are not in the prime of their careers like JDS currently is. After Bones beats Glover and Gus i'll give him more credit.

I would be happy to take any bets regarding Cain V Bones when it comes around.
The only losses any of those washed up opponents of Jones have are to each other (and some to Glover). They've trounced any of the new blood that came to wash them out ... Rashad beat Thiago and Davis for example. If they were so washed up, shouldn't some fresh not so washed up fighters be coming to take their place in the top 10s? Machida, Shogun, Rashad, Bader, all are still ranked solid top 10s.

In contrast a majority of Cain's opponents have been on continuous losing streaks since fighting him and are out of the UFC already. If anything it's his opponents that washed themselves right out of the UFC. Literally the only guys Cain has beat that are still ranked top 10 are JDS (who also knocked him out) and Bigfoot. And the only reason Bigfoot is even ranked top 10 is because Overreem dropped his hands after tooling him for 2 rounds, and Browne hopped himself into crutches, otherwise he'd be 0-5 in his last 5 fights. Such a stellar resume Cain has really, compared to Jones.

This is in literally the thinnest division in the UFC with the fewest fighters signed up, where all you have to do to make top 10 is literally win 2 UFC fights in a row, and Cain still doesn't have many of them on his resume.

I'm not arguing that Cain isn't talented or capable of beating most top 10 HWs or even Jones. But it's still silly to argue that his current achievements or record are anywhere near Jones who you're trying to downplay.
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Cain has the kind of strength that Jones might never have.
In punching power possibly... but I'm not sure I'm going to buy into this with grappling strength.
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