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Old 08-11-2013, 12:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hendo is better than Sonnen. The two careers don't compare in the slightest. Sonnen has never even won a major belt, much less two at once. Hendo is the man Chael dreams he'll one day grow up to become.
Hendersons Career has been better currently Sonnen is better not even a debate in all honesty , Sonnen last 2 losses were Jon Jones and Anderson Silva with Bisping and Stann being his last 2 wins.


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Whatever. Right now... today... Sonnen would beat Henderson. For me, when a fighter is claimed to be "better" then another, it means if they fight right now. Its not a request for historical comparison.
Exactly this is a thread dedicated to the now, not what a fighter has done 10 years ago in a separate organisation.

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Agreed. We need more old school Pride match ups in the UFC. If only to appease the crotchety old Pride never die fans.

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Whatever. Right now... today... Sonnen would beat Henderson. For me, when a fighter is claimed to be "better" then another, it means if they fight right now. Its not a request for historical comparison.
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Cut the bullshit.

I offered the apology because I prescribe to the mindset of a fighter only being as good as his last fight. I loved Hendo back in the day, but present day Dan Henderson should probably just retire. Past accomplishments are one thing, present day is a whole different ballgame. For you to suggest that because I think the way I do, that I must be new to the sport, is just ignorance on your part.

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You shouldnt apologise for having an opinion. You had a point, as Sooj pointed out. Such a retarded retort by evil appendix too.
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I respond to sarcasm in kind, and I'm retarded, ignorant and an elitist. You boys and girls are gonna make me blush with all this attention.

Since we are only allowed to speak of recent performances then here goes. Sonnen in 2-3 in his last five, while Dan is 3-2. Dan's losses were both split decisions, while Sonnen has been finished three times. Sonnen was fighting for belts in his losses I'll certainly give him that, but he wilted in the face of true competition. Henderson also beat up Shogun, Fedor and Cavalcante to earn his three wins. Chael beat Stann and Bisping.

Am I so far out there with my thinking?
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Maybe it might not be down to what you are saying, but more, the manner in which you are saying it?

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I respond to sarcasm in kind, and I'm retarded, ignorant and an elitist. You boys and girls are gonna make me blush with all this attention.

Since we are only allowed to speak of recent performances then here goes. Sonnen in 2-3 in his last five, while Dan is 3-2. Dan's losses were both split decisions, while Sonnen has been finished three times. Sonnen was fighting for belts in his losses I'll certainly give him that, but he wilted in the face of true competition. Henderson also beat up Shogun, Fedor and Cavalcante to earn his three wins. Chael beat Stann and Bisping.

Am I so far out there with my thinking?
Its simple. Henderson has shite cardio. Unsurprisingly, considering hes 78. He has had to do very little wrestling of late. His style has "evolved" into a measured plod forward, with the occasional 20% leg kick. He will walk through anything to try and land his big right. Its all designed to conserve as much energy as possible so he doesn't fall apart after 2 rounds. He knows he wont get knocked out so forward he goes and repeats the above endlessly. Its fecking boring.

Sonnen, on the other hand, will grapple for 25 minutes. If these two ever fought ( which they wont ) Hendo would be exhausted after 3 minutes. Of that I have no doubt. Hes like a leathery old wallet; Had some good times. Still works good-ish. Indestructible. But god damn, it looks like shit.
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If Henderson isn't broke.. DON'T FIX HIM!!!!

I still dont get the hate that Hendo receives lol, I also dont understand why not mixing up his style (Which could potentially cause him more losses that way) is being frowned upon, i must be in the very small group of people who love the old-school 1 dimensional fighters, who are masters of there 1 trade, for example Hendos style of trading shots, because not many people are going to survive his right too often. Call me a Hendo Nuthugger whatever lol, im more than happy to support an absoloute boss of MMA

Id also put my money on Hendo beating Sonnen too, i like both fighters but thats my opinion
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Its simple. Henderson has shite cardio. Unsurprisingly, considering hes 78. He has had to do very little wrestling of late. His style has "evolved" into a measured plod forward, with the occasional 20% leg kick. He will walk through anything to try and land his big right. Its all designed to conserve as much energy as possible so he doesn't fall apart after 2 rounds. He knows he wont get knocked out so forward he goes and repeats the above endlessly. Its fecking boring.

Sonnen, on the other hand, will grapple for 25 minutes. If these two ever fought ( which they wont ) Hendo would be exhausted after 3 minutes. Of that I have no doubt. Hes like a leathery old wallet; Had some good times. Still works good-ish. Indestructible. But god damn, it looks like shit.
ahahahaha leathery old wallet

I agree his style is very very one dimensional similar to Rampage he has lost his wrestling explosiveness and lacks cardio so resorts to plodding as you say and looks for the big shot.

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If Henderson isn't broke.. DON'T FIX HIM!!!!

I still dont get the hate that Hendo receives lol, I also dont understand why not mixing up his style (Which could potentially cause him more losses that way) is being frowned upon, i must be in the very small group of people who love the old-school 1 dimensional fighters, who are masters of there 1 trade, for example Hendos style of trading shots, because not many people are going to survive his right too often. Call me a Hendo Nuthugger whatever lol, im more than happy to support an absoloute boss of MMA

Id also put my money on Hendo beating Sonnen too, i like both fighters but thats my opinion
His style is broke since he lost his last 2 fights fighting guys who were on their feet for 15 minutes which is what Hendo wanted , his dinosaur methods dont work any more against the top 5 guys even his win Vs Rua he was a corpse at the end and was mounted numerous times.

Sonnen lost his last two fights to the guy everyone considers the best ever(Silva) and a guy who everyone considers the next big thing(Jones).

Sonnen i will agree is one dimensional in that he is just a wrestler a great one i may add but he is also a fantastic athlete the same cannot be said about Henderson who isnt an athlete and doesnt even use his wrestling and rely's upon his hard head and landing a punch you can see from 10 minutes before its thrown.
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Lol sure, but hes lost 2 fights in a row in the past then went on a streak, Rampage and someone else? Silva was it?

I know i probably don't love this sport as much as you guys, but i have watched/researched it enough to not consider myself a "casual fan". But everything your saying about Hendo being slow and plodding forward taking shots is just putting a big grin on my face and making me realize why i love the guy

In honesty Ive been very slack the last few years watching UFC, i think the demise of Pride had something to do with it. So i cant argue this case too much about how well rounded fighters are etc. But i don't understand why he has to change his style to be "more exciting". He's looked like a Dinosaur for years long live HENDO!!
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Lol sure, but hes lost 2 fights in a row in the past then went on a streak, Rampage and someone else? Silva was it?

I know i probably don't love this sport as much as you guys, but i have watched/researched it enough to not consider myself a "casual fan". But everything your saying about Hendo being slow and plodding forward taking shots is just putting a big grin on my face and making me realize why i love the guy

In honesty Ive been very slack the last few years watching UFC, i think the demise of Pride had something to do with it. So i cant argue this case too much about how well rounded fighters are etc. But i don't understand why he has to change his style to be "more exciting". He's looked like a Dinosaur for years long live HENDO!!
Im not saying you cant like the guy thats your right as a fan and a free person.

The original point was is Sonnen better than Henderson and the answer is yes , its taken 10 billion posts to prove how antiquated Henderson is when all anyone has to do is watch his last fight.
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