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Old 08-23-2013, 11:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Machida at Middleweight - conspiracy theories and whatnot

When I first heard it I was as excited at the next pro-Machida person on here but now that I gave it a little more thought, I've come to question "Why now?".

[Disclaimer: I'm gonna assume he does well at MW, I think most of you will agree. For the sake of argument I'm also going to assume that Anderson beats Weidman]

Let's say Anderson beats Weidman - what's Lyoto gonna do? He won't fight Anderson, that's for sure. So does he move back up to LHW? If that's the plan then why not wait until after Anderson/Weidman II? That would be the sensible thing to do right?

Unless...

Does Lyoto know something that we don't?

Maybe he knows it's going to be Anderson's last fight. I know Anderson has signed a new 10 fight contract and said he would fulfill it, but maybe he changed his mind. I'd say it's not very probable but it would explain things.

Maybe (and I hope this is true) he and Anderson agreed to fight each other. So Anderson beating Weidman wouldn't obstruct Lyoto's path to a title. Because after all, why would Machida move to a new division if he knew he would never fight the champ?

Do you think there's more to it than meets the eye or am I just reading too much into it?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Thought about this as well when I heard the news of Lyoto dropping down to 185. I think Silva is coming to the end of his career. Might very well be his last fight. Hopefully it just means Silva is going to take on some fun fights at 205 after the rematch and retire while on the win column.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"Why now?".
I agree that your theory has some legs, but I think it may be something a little more straight forward. Joe Silva offered Lyoto two fights:

1) Fight some up-and-comer on a free show low on the card or pre-card at 205.
2) Fight someone who people have at least heard of on the main card at 185.

I think the UFC is starting to see that not everyone is going to Ryan Bader and just run into his fist. Most fighters are a lot smarter than that, especially at the top of 205. His only real chance to keep fighting the elite is to change weight classes and fight the elite of that weight class. After a couple fights either AS will be the champ and he will go back to 205, or AS won't be the champ and he will challenge for the belt at 185. Sonnen and Vitor both proved that just because you fight at 185 doesn't mean you can't get a title shot at 205.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The theory is that Silva loses to Weidman and then Machida vs Weidman can become a very interesting big drawing event.

Silva WILL lose.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Machida is quite a bit off the title at LHW. For years people have been saying he should drop down. He takes a bullshit loss and finally agrees with it. Simple.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Machida hasn't said that he's permanently moving to MW, for all we know this could be a one-time thing just to help main event a show for the troops. I doubt Anderson will retire, I think it's more likely he will pursue "fun" big-name fights at LHW and HW to fulfill his contract, whether he beats Weidman or not.
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Anderson can't beat Weidman, he doesn't have the skillset or mental game to do so.

Machida has pretty much fought the entire top ten at 205 outside of Gus and Nog. Middleweight is a fresh start for him with plenty of good fights.

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Old 08-23-2013, 02:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Machida hasn't said that he's permanently moving to MW, for all we know this could be a one-time thing just to help main event a show for the troops. I doubt Anderson will retire, I think it's more likely he will pursue "fun" big-name fights at LHW and HW to fulfill his contract, whether he beats Weidman or not.
I can see that, too. Silva, win or lose may hang up the MW belt business (except maybe a rubber match in case he wins), as he has already talked for a long time before the loss that he is rather interested in "interesting" fights than defending the belt. With a win, Silva would also be back in the super fight talk again. For Machida it would then not depend on Silva whether he stays at MW or not, but on how well he does himself. If he does feel better at MW, he could go for the MW belt (either vacant or around Weidman's waist), if not, he could go back to LHW.
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God I hope Lyoto and Anderson never fight...Anderson doesn't come forward and Lyoto would circle around the whole fight. It would be awful.
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either way I agree this is Anderson,s last fight at MW. if anderson doesn't beat weidman I don't think he has it in him to make a title run. he eaither leaves UFC and boxes or makes a (short) title run at LHW. If he wins he fights bonez.
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