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post #91 of 143 (permalink) Old 09-06-2013, 06:40 PM
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I may need to watch that fight again, but I remember a pick 'em round where neither fighter did that much to take it. In which case the nod should go to the champion.

Not that it matters since, y'know, there are no robberies in a fight in which someone gets dropped and then choked unconscious.
I too remember a pick'em round. And I was rooting hard for Machida that fight. Machida did little other than 1 or 2 punches. And Jones landed some kicks. People exaggerate when they think Machida easily won that round. Not much happened. They both landed a few strikes. Machida landed 1 punch and people went nuts like he was on his way to victory.
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First Bader was like "I'm gonna hit ya!" but then Glover was all "How about I hit you back!" and I was like "Dayyyyyyyyyum!".

(I don't normally talk like this)
I find this post amusing.

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I think people were caught up in the fact that Machida was actually competitive with Jones in the first round while many were expecting him to get steamrolled. At that point, Machida was really the first guy to show any kind of resistance to Jones (until the second round) but I wouldn't quite say Machida "won the round".
And that's my point it wasn't a round that showed us some aspect of Jones's game that fighters can take advantage of, it was just them not engaging, because neither fighter DID anything that damaged the opponent. Machida wasn't dominating him he didn't do any damage to Jones in that round.

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Its not about directly comparing between Jones and Tex, but I think Tex and his momentum are better than every single fighter Jones has faced in UFC (in regard of their momentum as well) and that makes the fight interesting at least.

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Its not about directly comparing between Jones and Tex, but I think Tex and his momentum are better than every single fighter Jones has faced in UFC (in regard of their momentum as well) and that makes the fight interesting at least.
Ok, a valid argument I am interested. Now the question is who on his list of who he has beaten adds to his momentum other than DW declaring him the next big thing at LHW? It's like the Matt Brown argument. I would love to see Matt Brown get a shot against GSP, and he has a massive momentum swing on him, but who on his list of victims says that he is a contender?

Please don't take this as me being a dick, I really do want to hear your argument. As far as I currently see it Tex has momentum solely through hype, but I am more than open to hear justification to how I am wrong.

Edit: No matter how I read it in my own head I think I sound like a dick in this post when I am trying not to be.
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Ok, a valid argument I am interested. Now the question is who on his list of who he has beaten adds to his momentum other than DW declaring him the next big thing at LHW? It's like the Matt Brown argument. I would love to see Matt Brown get a shot against GSP, and he has a massive momentum swing on him, but who on his list of victims says that he is a contender?

Please don't take this as me being a dick, I really do want to hear your argument. As far as I currently see it Tex has momentum solely through hype, but I am more than open to hear justification to how I am wrong.

Edit: No matter how I read it in my own head I think I sound like a dick in this post when I am trying not to be.
Your word you are not trying to be a dick is more than enough for me. Thanks.

Lets see this. Jones is the undisputed Champion and look back at his own competition. How to compare the 6 winstreak momentum of Matt Brown (which is good, btw) with Glover's 20 fecking fights winstreak (only 2 decisions in this period, btw)? And not mentioning the LHW division at this moment is arguably shallower than the WW in terms of competition.

PS: Not being a dick. Swear.

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I think people overreact when they see a fighter stumble slightly. I do not think a rocked man could of picked off Baders shots so comfortably. Not a single shot landed when Glover was backed up to the cage waiting for that fight ending opening.
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I think people overreact when they see a fighter stumble slightly. I do not think a rocked man could of picked off Baders shots so comfortably. Not a single shot landed when Glover was backed up to the cage waiting for that fight ending opening.
Possibly, but I just think his chin is slightly suspect, after seeing him appear to be rocked in that fight, and also in the Maldonado fight where he took one punch all fight and was wobbly, I can't see it taking much from Jones.
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Ok, a valid argument I am interested. Now the question is who on his list of who he has beaten adds to his momentum other than DW declaring him the next big thing at LHW? It's like the Matt Brown argument. I would love to see Matt Brown get a shot against GSP, and he has a massive momentum swing on him, but who on his list of victims says that he is a contender?

Please don't take this as me being a dick, I really do want to hear your argument. As far as I currently see it Tex has momentum solely through hype, but I am more than open to hear justification to how I am wrong.

Edit: No matter how I read it in my own head I think I sound like a dick in this post when I am trying not to be.
There's more to it than the bottom line of "who has he beat, and where were they ranked?"

He's faced a pretty good wrestler in Kingsbury, and crushed him. He outfought Kyle in every aspect.

He fought a very good Striker in Maldonado and outstruck him. Maldonado is not a complete fighter, and any decent LHW would be able to take him down and dominate him on the ground, but outboxing him is a different accomplishement, and Glover did that easily.

So he isn't just beating mediocre fighters by exploiting their weaknesses, but by beating them at their strengths.

He hit a quick submission on Te-Huna Not a huge accomplishment, but showing his well-roundedness and killer instinct.

His most imressive win is Bader, both in his opponent quality, and method of victory. he outlanded Bader most of the fight, and landed the only TD against another good wrestler. But the finish was spectacular. He got caught, backed up against the cage, which spells big trouble for most fighters, and within seconds had the composure to roll with a couple of hooks, wait for the next combination to come, slip the uppercut beautifully and throw a counter left-right combination that landed right on the numbers and put Bader on his back.

Such quick recovery and acumen in that position is astonishing. Glover is the real deal, and I reach that conclusion not by looking at who he's beaten, but by seeing how he's beaten them.
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Ok, a valid argument I am interested. Now the question is who on his list of who he has beaten adds to his momentum other than DW declaring him the next big thing at LHW? It's like the Matt Brown argument. I would love to see Matt Brown get a shot against GSP, and he has a massive momentum swing on him, but who on his list of victims says that he is a contender?

Please don't take this as me being a dick, I really do want to hear your argument. As far as I currently see it Tex has momentum solely through hype, but I am more than open to hear justification to how I am wrong.

Edit: No matter how I read it in my own head I think I sound like a dick in this post when I am trying not to be.
Glover has beat two top tens Bader and Rampage, who was also a former champ. Glover is an undefeated 5-0 in the UFC and undefeated in the last EIGHT years. He has completely dominated all his opponents, not barely won. He only has two losses from more than 8 years ago in his first 4 fights.

Matt Brown hasn't beat a single top 10 fighter let alone a former champ. He is on a six win streak sure, against non top 10s, but he is 11-5 in the UFC total and has nearly a dozen losses in his record, almost in the same range as his number of wins.

The two are not even REMOTELY comparable.
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He got caught, backed up against the cage, which spells big trouble for most fighters, and within seconds had the composure to roll with a couple of hooks, wait for the next combination to come, slip the uppercut beautifully and throw a counter left-right combination that landed right on the numbers and put Bader on his back.

Such quick recovery and acumen in that position is astonishing. Glover is the real deal, and I reach that conclusion not by looking at who he's beaten, but by seeing how he's beaten them.
Exactly. MMA needs more moments of skill like this to help legitimize it. Generally, hands in MMA are far far behind boxers. It can be quite embarrassing sometimes. Its to be expected of course, seeing as MMA is so green and covers so many facets. But, seeing how Tex finished this fight warmed me immeasurably. It was utterly splendid. One of the best finishes ive seen in quite some time. In that moment, Tex proved once and for all that hes very much the real deal.
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