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post #111 of 143 (permalink) Old 09-08-2013, 01:20 AM
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Getting excited about Glover and stating that he is the top contender, 2nd or 3rd best at LHW and possibly going to eclipse Jones' accomplishments are 2 very different things.

Some people have gone way too far overboard with their expectations of Glover and unfortunately he is due for a slide when he starts facing the big boys in the division.
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You actually think Glover has a chance of beating Jones and then dominating all the other top LHW fighters?

Glover has a LOOOONG way to go to catch up to what Jones has accomplished in his much shorter career.
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Getting excited about Glover and stating that he is the top contender, 2nd or 3rd best at LHW and possibly going to eclipse Jones' accomplishments are 2 very different things.

Some people have gone way too far overboard with their expectations of Glover and unfortunately he is due for a slide when he starts facing the big boys in the division.
Their overboard expectations match your overboard skepticism. Anyway, check again. I just said it would be a good fight. Stretches are all yours.

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Glover would do well against Jones. Sure as hell would give him his best fight up to now I think. Standing they are fairly even but Bones is on another level everywhere else. Dude is just way too good at every aspect. Can't train natural ability like that.

I think its a possibility Tex could put him to sleep standing but its unlikely Bones would keep the fight there.
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Gosh, Glover Teixeira's winstreak is even longer than Jones full MMA record. Just saying.
You should ask the same thing about that first post.

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Abd that means...

Really? Even though he is right now very close to be #1 contender by his own merits?

"...probably ever will...". Give the guy a break here.
Are you comparing being close to a number one contender to being one of the best, if not the best LHW of all time?

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In my honest opinion, Glover and everyone else at LHW had better find a way to either put on 40 pounds or lose 20... Jon Jones is a freak of nature that will not be losing to anyone anytime soon. On a personal level, Glover has yet to really blow my mind.

Having said all of that, this IS MMA, and you never know.
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On a personal level, Glover has yet to really blow my mind.
I felt exactly like this till this fight. But I really cant express how impressed I was with the finish. Back against the cage, under pressure, and out comes a beautiful counter combination that made me wet my knickers. I mean, how many fighters in the UFC can do that? It's a *very* rare thing in MMA to see that level of striking. Were you not impressed?

Teixeira went up a tier in my estimation. From thinking he had zero chance against Bones, I now feel he has some tools that could throw up problems for Jones.

Having said that, Jones is a beast from another dimension. Tex may have a few tools. Bones has a whole fecking walk-in waldrobe full of fancy options. Tex may have 2 ways to win. Bones has 28.
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I felt exactly like this till this fight. But I really cant express how impressed I was with the finish. Back against the cage, under pressure, and out comes a beautiful counter combination that made me wet my knickers. I mean, how many fighters in the UFC can do that? It's a *very* rare thing in MMA to see that level of striking. Were you not impressed?

Teixeira went up a tier in my estimation. From thinking he had zero chance against Bones, I now feel he has some tools that could throw up problems for Jones.

Having said that, Jones is a beast from another dimension. Tex may have a few tools. Bones has a whole fecking walk-in waldrobe full of fancy options. Tex may have 2 ways to win. Bones has 28.
The finish was impressive but he was getting worked for the most part by Ryan Bader standing before that. I like Tex but the more I see of him the more it becomes clear he is the Kampmann of LHW. Good to really good in every area but also very vulnerable at the highest level because of poor striking defense and wrestling that is solid but not overwhelming. He is lucky that the division is kind of mediocre right now with so many of the top guys aging poorly and no super talented young guys outside of Bones and Gus.
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The finish was impressive but he was getting worked for the most part by Ryan Bader standing before that. I like Tex but the more I see of him the more it becomes clear he is the Kampmann of LHW. Good to really good in every area but also very vulnerable at the highest level because of poor striking defense and wrestling that is solid but not overwhelming. He is lucky that the division is kind of mediocre right now with so many of the top guys aging poorly and no super talented young guys outside of Bones and Gus.
Difference is, once Kampmann has taken some blows and is backed onto the fence, its usually the end for him. Never has he pulled out of trouble from that position via a decent counter let alone finish the fight.

That Tex was in trouble is exactly what gives me confidence. Because if there's one thing I know for sure, its that Tex is going to be in a lot of trouble against Bones. Being under pressure and still be able to retaliate successfully is an essential ingredient if anybody hopes to beat Jones. Tex, to me, proved he has that ingredient.
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You should ask the same thing about that first post.
You are correct about the similarities in our statements, Rauno, but it is their conclusions that set our ideas apart.
When I say Tex winstreak is even longer than Jones full record, I am merely highlighting Tex is a contender to Jones and never that he'll right away dethrone him. You, in the other hand, say he is fighting for way longer time and concludes "he probably will never achieve" what Jones has already did. Out of the blue.
Both records are pretty much close in effectiveness. If only Tex were losing...but he was not.

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Are you comparing being close to a number one contender to being one of the best, if not the best LHW of all time?
Of course I am comparing them. If we are not suppose to compare a contender with a champion, so what is the point there will be a fight for the title anyway?
Record wise both are very similar. Jones is the undisputed UFC LHW Champion now, but if he faces Tex and loses(real possibility - history backs me up), what you'll make of that?

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The finish was impressive but he was getting worked for the most part by Ryan Bader standing before that. I like Tex but the more I see of him the more it becomes clear he is the Kampmann of LHW. Good to really good in every area but also very vulnerable at the highest level because of poor striking defense and wrestling that is solid but not overwhelming. He is lucky that the division is kind of mediocre right now with so many of the top guys aging poorly and no super talented young guys outside of Bones and Gus.
Come on, now, man. First Matt Brown (not you) and now Martin Kampmann? Are you comparing Tex, a guy who was KO only one time, in his very first fight a decade ago, with Kampmann and his irregular record, who was KO 5 times in a way lighter division? How come?

I say not every man gets hit by a fresh Ryan Bader and remains standing. Not mentioning magnificently reverting the situation.

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I say not every man gets hit by a fresh Ryan Bader and remains standing. Not mentioning magnificently reverting the situation.
Although I don't completely agree with the Kampmann comparison, I can see osmium's point. Teixera should not have been tagged as often by that rather slow Bader. If he doesn't improve his striking defense, he will have quite some trouble overcoming Jones reach.
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