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Although I don't completely agree with the Kampmann comparison, I can see osmium's point. Teixera should not have been tagged as often by that rather slow Bader. If he doesn't improve his striking defense, he will have quite some trouble overcoming Jones reach.
Ok. I was shocked with the Kampmann comparison so I omitted any other comment regarding that post, so I will state now I understand and agree with Osmium other points and the above quote. I think Tex relies to much in his recovery capabilities, but he really should not and protect that face, indeed.


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Come on, now, man. First Matt Brown (not you) and now Martin Kampmann? Are you comparing Tex, a guy who was KO only one time, in his very first fight a decade ago, with Kampmann and his irregular record, who was KO 5 times in a way lighter division? How come?

I say not every man gets hit by a fresh Ryan Bader and remains standing. Not mentioning magnificently reverting the situation.
I never said anything about being knocked out but MW and WW are not "way lighter divions" and Martin didn't spend the majority of his career fighting cans like Tex has. Most people don't get hit clean repeatedly by Bader because he isn't a good striker which was one of my points.
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Also that counter was not that impress because it was Ryan F'n Bader standing there swinging slow ass homerun shots into Glover's arms. Frank Mir could have countered him off the cage.

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Glover lacks the extra little bit to beat Jones, highly doubt he can make a fight of it. Jones is the #1 in the world for a reason, he's on an entirely different level and he doesn't mess around like Silva used to.

Jones is a juggernaut and it's going to take someone as dynamic, strong and big as him to beat him. It's going to be like Silva where he fizzles out when he gets old and until then he'll dominate everyone. This fight didn't make Glover look good in my eyes, just made Bader look really really bad.
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Also that counter was not that impress because it was Ryan F'n Bader standing there swinging slow ass homerun shots into Glover's arms. Frank Mir could have countered him off the cage.
There are a few fighters in MMA of Ryan Bader quality. If it was that simple, we would see quality counters like that all the time... but we dont. We'll be lucky if we see shit like that once a year on UFC main card which is supposed to be the cream of the crop. I've certainly never seen Frank Mir throw anything in his entire career that looked anywhere near as good.
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I never said anything about being knocked out but MW and WW are not "way lighter divions" and Martin didn't spend the majority of his career fighting cans like Tex has. Most people don't get hit clean repeatedly by Bader because he isn't a good striker which was one of my points.
I agree with Tex lack of defense an that would be all I can agree with.
About fighting cans, hum, Jones is over framed for his division and fought mostly washed out older dudes, so I don't see him as over-skilled GOAT contender just yet. He deserves the position he has since he can make weight, but the competition he had so far don't get me impressed. Maybe if he crushes Gustafsson, I'll start to change my view about him.


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Overframed? Washed out older dudes? Do you even know what you're talking about?
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I agree with Tex lack of defense an that would be all I can agree with.
About fighting cans, hum, Jones is over framed for his division and fought mostly washed out older dudes, so I don't see him as over-skilled GOAT contender just yet. He deserves the position he has since he can make weight, but the competition he had so far don't get me impressed. Maybe if he crushes Gustafsson, I'll start to change my view about him.
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I agree with Tex lack of defense an that would be all I can agree with.
About fighting cans, hum, Jones is over framed for his division and fought mostly washed out older dudes, so I don't see him as over-skilled GOAT contender just yet. He deserves the position he has since he can make weight, but the competition he had so far don't get me impressed. Maybe if he crushes Gustafsson, I'll start to change my view about him.
How on earth is Jones over framed for his division? He's a tall, lanky guy with no weight problems in the past. It's not like he's destroying competition with size either.

Also you have doubts about Jones yet would change the way you look at him if he crushes Gustaffson. Gustafs great but is he really that proven that you're willing to disregard Jones' past competition over Gustaf so easily.

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Overframed? Washed out older dudes? Do you even know what you're talking about?
All the guys Jones faced in UFC suffer tons of criticism for their performances irregularities, health and stamina issues. You can run his competition and relate who has which of the listed issues. I don't think I own the truth, but this is where I am basing my feelings at. He is the best among we have now, no doubt, but the level of this competition prevents me from state he is GOAT material at this moment. Young, strong and talented, a lot of potential, but ducking Sonnen in the first and almost getting sub against an one hand Vitor, for example, shows me Jones has holes of his own to resolve.

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How on earth is Jones over framed for his division? He's a tall, lanky guy with no weight problems in the past. It's not like he's destroying competition with size either.

Also you have doubts about Jones yet would change the way you look at him if he crushes Gustaffson. Gustafs great but is he really that proven that you're willing to disregard Jones' past competition over Gustaf so easily.

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Disregard is a strong word. You used the word, not me. I am not disregarding Jones competition, but the recent performances of those fighters speak for themselves, except Vitor, who is cruising (TRT or not) and almost subbed Jones with a broken hand (and since it was in US, probably TRT free). I never mentioned anything about Gus competition, man. However, I see in Gus youth, potential, hunger, talent and yes, frame to match Jones. That's why I am interested in the fight and Jones crushing Gus would speak volumes to me.

EDIT: I'll revise about he being over framed for the division as a whole. I still think he is a legit champion if he can make weight, but size is helping him a lot comparing to the competition he had. That's my view.


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However, I see in Gus youth, potential, hunger, talent and yes, frame to match Jones.
FYI, JBJ and Gustaf are the same age (26), and JBJ will still have an 8in reach advantage.
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