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post #51 of 143 (permalink) Old 09-05-2013, 03:28 PM
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Apparently a guy can be a bust or overhyped if he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best LHW in the world...behind arguably the most talented fighter to date.
I would like to see Teixeira beat one of Gustafsson, Evans, Davis, Machida before I could even begin to consider him the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter. Heck beating Henderson or Sonnen would raise Teixeira's stock imo.

Liza is right and you as well as others just don't understand it. There is no proof that Teixeira is the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter. He might be the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter that hasn't already lost to Jones but that doesn't make him the best of the rest. He hasn't faced any of the best yet, his best wins are Bader and Jackson who are barely top 10 fighers now. And Teixeira didn't even look that good against Bader...
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Yeah he's slow but his timing and power are good enough to keep him competitive with most.

He just wont be able to fight his way in against Jones and will get parted out over the coarse of time until Jones pounces and ends it.

He's the kind of guy Jones could score a fight ending HLK or a flashy punch/elbow against IMO because I dont think he can move and get out of the way quick enough.

Hes defiantly upper top ten though.
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I would like to see Teixeira beat one of Gustafsson, Evans, Davis, Machida before I could even begin to consider him the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter. Heck beating Henderson or Sonnen would raise Teixeira's stock imo.

Liza is right and you as well as others just don't understand it. There is no proof that Teixeira is the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter. He might be the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter that hasn't already lost to Jones but that doesn't make him the best of the rest. He hasn't faced any of the best yet, his best wins are Bader and Jackson who are barely top 10 fighers now. And Teixeira didn't even look that good against Bader...
Id love to see him fight those guys too but its not his fault they wont fight him. IDK if that should be held against him.

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I'm inclined to agree, but I leraned from Weidman - Silva that in MMA anything is possible.
For sure but Jones is completely on another level than everyone else. What's really scary is that he's still young, learning and getting better, which is crazy considering what he's already shown he can do and has accomplished.
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For sure but Jones is completely on another level than everyone else. What's really scary is that he's still young, learning and getting better, which is crazy considering what he's already shown he can do and has accomplished.
Jones is a good fighter but does have some weaknesses. His striking actually isn't that great, it is unpredictable and can be devastating but his actual form isn't great and good strikers can take advantage of that(Machida showed us this).

I think Gus is actually good enough to beat Jones in a striking match but I don't think Jones will let him do so as I don't think Gus will be able to avoid Jones' takedowns and ground game.
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Jones is a good fighter but does have some weaknesses. His striking actually isn't that great, it is unpredictable and can be devastating but his actual form isn't great and good strikers can take advantage of that(Machida showed us this).

I think Gus is actually good enough to beat Jones in a striking match but I don't think Jones will let him do so as I don't think Gus will be able to avoid Jones' takedowns and ground game.
I think your memory is a little wrong, here is the fight metric for Lyoto vs JBJ:

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3678

Lyoto landed 13 strikes over the course of the whole fight. Lyoto literally had to sprint at JBJ to hit him, meanwhile JBJ attacked safely from range. Gus isn't a sprinter, and even then JBJ has already seen that trick so I am sure he would be ready.
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Jones is a good fighter but does have some weaknesses. His striking actually isn't that great, it is unpredictable and can be devastating but his actual form isn't great and good strikers can take advantage of that(Machida showed us this).

I think Gus is actually good enough to beat Jones in a striking match but I don't think Jones will let him do so as I don't think Gus will be able to avoid Jones' takedowns and ground game.
LOL, he showed us Jones can beat his ass striking, that's what he showed us LOL.

That first round was garbage, it was so so so less significant than most haters make it out to be but they wont stop latching onto the fight because it gives them hope..

What exactly did he show us? That Jones can beat him up striking, rock his world with a mean punch and step in and coke him to death?

Jones was tooling him in the second and Machida landed a whopping 8 strikes total in the first round, and you think that show Jones has weaknesses striking?

If you want to analyze Jons striking you have to look at some other fight because Machida didn't do shit to Jones.

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I think your memory is a little wrong, here is the fight metric for Lyoto vs JBJ:

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3678

Lyoto landed 13 strikes over the course of the whole fight. Lyoto literally had to sprint at JBJ to hit him, meanwhile JBJ attacked safely from range. Gus isn't a sprinter, and even then JBJ has already seen that trick so I am sure he would be ready.
And yet Machida looked better and most had him winning the first round with his striking...

Jones didn't have success in that fight until he took Lyoto down. It ended pretty quickly after that though.

Imo Jones's biggest weakness is definitely his striking. His unnatural range and agility makes it hard for other fighters to get into range and then when they do get close enough they are in his takedown range which is even more dangerous for them.
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And yet Machida looked better and most had him winning the first round with his striking...

Jones didn't have success in that fight until he took Lyoto down. It ended pretty quickly after that though.

Imo Jones's biggest weakness is definitely his striking. His unnatural range and agility makes it hard for other fighters to get into range and then when they do get close enough they are in his takedown range which is even more dangerous for them.
I had Jones winning the first round. Also people keep getting it backwards. Jones actually hit Lyoto with a straight right that stunned him, then took him down, wrecked his face, then after they were standing again he got choked out. Here is an article that gives a decent play by play:

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2011/1...-lyoto-machida

Lyoto had a nice trick of rushing to the punch, but Jones coaches quickly figured it out and showed JBJ how to beat Lyoto standing. He even proved it by cracking the 'elusive' Lyoto.

JBJ is no striking master, he is not the next Anderson Silva, but he knows how to use his tools very well and until someone shows that they know how to handle his tools I am going to question anyone who thinks they are just going to walk up to JBJ and KO him. It isn't going to happen that way. Someone will need to be able to have an answer for the front kicks and knee kicks, a way to back him up to the cage to prevent his 'elusiveness', and finally a way to handle his clinch. It is a tall order and somewhere there is someone who can handle it, but it isn't Tex or Gus. It is probably some up and coming prospect who no one sees coming, much like JBJ.
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Bader has got to be more disciplined. It cost him against Tito, Machida, and now Glover. He probably would have lost to the latter two anyway, but his lack of discipline has contributed to his demise in 3/4 of his losses.

I was surprised at how well he was actually doing. He was controlling Glover pretty well with his wrestling and stunned him on more than one occasion. Kudos to Glover for surviving and coming back like that.
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I just think a guy like Tex is tailor made for a guy with Jon's attributes to destroy.


If Machida was considered successful Id hate to see what failure looks like LOL.

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