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***OFFICIAL*** Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson Thread

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#1 ·



Light Heavyweight bout: 205 pounds
Five round fight for the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship




 
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#41 ·
huh? jones isn't quick, he catches people by surprise sure but only because he has a varied attack. He's good at range and good with the clinch and top game and Gustafsson i can't see how he wins this at all especially since he said he would win this fight on the outside which is retarded.
 
#42 ·
...Quite simply, Gus has earned his title shot but JBJ will make him look a bit silly fighting for it. Gus really is outmatched by Jon in every aspect. Yes- Gus has good hands, good wrestling, good submissions, good footwork and uses his reach well----with that said Jon Jones does ALL of those things and them some on a whole other level. Gus will be a little test for Jones but that's it. Jones with a finish if it goes to the ground a or UD...it won't be that close.

...Since Gus has those long legs, I'm real curious to see if Gus slams some hard legkicks right into the meat of JBJ's comically thin legs. If successful, it could make things become very interesting...
 
#44 ·
If you think Jones is better in every aspect than Gus then you believe the hypes. Same could be said of Roy Jones, Mike Tyson and others who were said to be unbeatable. Suddenly they have the best everything.

Jon Jones has better hand speed than Gus? No
Can Jon Jones take a punch better than Gus ? I do not think so
Footwork, Jon Jones is faster on his feet than Gus ? Nope
Punching power, you sure Jon Jones punch harder than Gus ? I am not sure about it
 
#50 ·
I'd like to see your reasoning, yes. And no, it would only be biased if I were a Jon Jones fan. I'm not, therefore my opinion can't be biased. You however, with a username like Gustafsson Fan, could definitely be interpreted as being "biased."

:confused02:

Why does someone have to prove it? How would you even go about proving something like speed, chin or foorwork?
He/She doesn't have to, I just asked if he/she could. And you could probably start by looking at both fighters previous fights, and looking at there speed, chin, and footwork. :thumbsup:
 
#51 ·
What I have seen in recent fights that show a difference is.

Hand speed:
Gus is throwing combinations and has been in exchanges. Jones damage his opponents using his physical advantages first before he starts to let his hands go to finish them. Gus has landed many more solid punches due to his hand speed standing up on fresh opponents than Jones. Against Machida Jones standup was good he landed solid blow before his takedown. This was partly because Machida used up his energy moving in and out of Jones range. When Machida had to reduce his tempo to conserve energy Jones caught him.

Footwork:
Gus is throwing punches while moving in all directions. Jones likes to get set and have his opponet standing in front of him. Gus has better footwork.

Punching power:
Might be equal.

Chin:
I have seen Gus take some heavy hits without flinching. I have not seen Jones take many hits yet. So I judge from what I see.

Standup:
I see a lot of Jones spectacular strikes are against opponents that have less range than Gus. He can do a random technique outside of opponents range and if opponent makes the wrong move he gets caught. The range means Jones can do it without risking much. Gus has a better solid boxing "one-two" than Jones and this will matter in this fight where both are of equal size.

Note:
if it was not because I have quit gambling years ago (for good reasons) the two fights I would strongly consider placing a big bet (1000 USD at leist) on is Gustafsson beating Jones and Chris Weidman beating Anderson Silva in the rematch.
 
#52 ·
I don't really disagree with too much of this. On paper, Gus is better then Jones in many areas. However, Jones use of length may well trump all of Gus above features. Gus doesnt rely on his length. He seems happy enough to dart inside and throw all kinds of hooks and uppercuts. Jones *never* does this. He stays strictly on the outside. As you pointed out, he breaks down his opponent from out there and then moves in once they have been sufficiently softened up. Thing is, Jones is used to stopping fighters getting inside. Its his bread and butter. But im not sure ive seen Gus get inside a fighter with Jones length. So he may well be forced to fight long = something I think Jones is more comfortable doing.

Also, Jones has eaten an overhand right from both Bader and Rashad. Im pretty sure his chin is solid.

Having said all that, I give Gus a fair chance. He has by far, more diverse striking then all of Jones previous opponents. Hes also a viking. Gotta love vikings. War Gustaf!
 
#53 ·
I agree with the styles but I do not agree with the conclusion. Jones is used to using his range and staying on the exact range. Gus is used to mixing jab and move with stay in opponents face. I think Gus then is more flexible and Jones is more of a specialist. I think the footwork, chin and hand speed means that Gus can set the pace and force Jones into trading punches. Either this or Jones immediately realises this and go for clinch against the cage plus takedowns. I do not think Gus can avoid takedowns the whole fight but I believe he can deliver the first big strike that changes the fight. We have not seen anything from Jones how he defends if he gets hit by a big one. He might just be like a Big George Foreman who starts to slug and gets hit even more. Of course Jones is just one clinch from getting the takedown in these situations so he is always dangerous.

I think Gus wins but.I see many scenarios where Jones win as well. I would absolutely not be surprised if Jones wins as well.
 
#57 ·
To me, Jon Jones hasn't shown any weakness so far while facing all top tier fighters. The only time I remember seeing him in anything close to losing a round is against Machida's elusive striking style.

But even so, Jones has more tools as he eventually took down Machida and choke him out in the 2nd.

Gustafsson on the other hand had shown weaknesses against wrestler. Although it's a long time ago and he has since trained with Phil, he hasn't face any good wrestler to prove that he can stop elite wrestler TD.

With that, I just don't see how Gustafsson can win this. If jones can't outstrike Gustafsson, he can easily take him down. Even IF Gustafasson have a improved TDD, Jone will still take him down. If even Olympic alternate Chael Sonnen can't stop the TD, I don't see how Gustafsson can.
 
#61 ·
How can Gus have a reach advantage when he doesn't have a reach advantage...:dunno:

He may be quicker than Jones, although I dont agree that he is we shall see. He"ll have to knock Jones out because if he starts winning the stand up any other way, Jones is going to make the Trojan Man commercial of the year. :D

First of all Gus is 15-1 with his one loss to Davis who has some serious BJJ chops. Its still a loss and Jones is undefeated also Gus really hasn't been swimming in the deep end for all that long. I dont think he can do to Jones what he can do to other fighters he's faced.

Jones has 9 ko's of his own but more importantly he has the best wrestling in the division. If Jones gets top position I have no reason to believe gus can survive Jon's G&P.

Gus cant stuff Jones and Jones can take him down at will. That complements his reach advantage and opens up striking opportunity's for Jones.

Hell if im being honest Sonnen could beat all four of gus's last opponents. Still Gus is a solid fighter and good enough that if hes able to capitalize on a opportunity if one comes his way he could win but I dont think one will.
 
#62 ·
Hell if im being honest Sonnen could beat all four of gus's last opponents.
Indeed.

Gustafsson's best win by far is Shogun, in fact he got his title shot FOR beating Shogun, and Sonnen beat him very easily in the first round. Gus isn't anymore tested or unbeatable than Sonnen is, it's just the fact that Sonnen has faced competition 10x tougher than Gus has ever fought that he has more losses on his record. Honestly Sonnen could defeat Gus, I'd be 60/50 on that fight in Sonnen's favor.

Point being, although this fight is interesting as Gus is bigger than the other guys and the size is more comparable, Jones will maul him and send him down the ladder without too much effort much like he did Sonnen. Sonnen/gus/Glover etc are all top guys in that division, but Jones is just a step beyond that, much like Cain is at HW.
 
#63 ·
Found some hugger fodder in an junkie article.

IN-FIGHT STATISTICS

Has never been taken down in his 19-fight MMA career, including 16 of 16 takedown attempts successfully defended in the UFC.

Finishing rate of 82 percent is second only to women's bantamweight champion Ronda Rousey for highest finishing percentage of the nine current undisputed UFC champions.

Has never been knocked down or submitted in MMA competition.

Is one of only two fighters in UFC history (Patrick Smith) to win two fights via a standing submission.

Nine knockout or submission wins in modern UFC competition are tied with former champion Chuck Liddell for the most stoppage victories in divisional history.

Takedown accuracy of 63.9 percent is second in UFC light heavyweight history to Lyoto Machida, who completes 65 percent of his takedown attempts.

Total of 552 significant strikes landed in UFC competition is the most among active light heavyweight fighters.

Has the fifth most total strikes landed in light heavyweight history with 741. Matt Hamill is fourth with 857, Stephan Bonnar third at 1,005, Forrest Griffin second at 1,096 and Tito Ortiz leads the category with 1,241 total strikes landed.

His 26 takedowns landed are the fourth most in UFC light heavyweight history.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/09/ufc-165-preview-a-closer-look-at-jon-jones-career-statistics
 
#69 ·
I see Jon Jones in this fight standing up with Gustaffson briefly before taking the easier road and taking Gustaffson to the mat. Once Jones has Gustaffson down I think he'll devastate Gustaffson with elbows and and ground and pound. I'm expecting Jones to win by either TKO/KO or softening up Gustaffson with his ground and pound to the point where he locks on an easy submission. Either way I'm thinking another dominating performance for Jon Jones. I look forward to seeing it live and in person :thumb03:
 
#71 ·
No predictions from me. I'm just going to enjoy the fight. I will say that if the LHW title holder dispatches Gustaf with ease that would be a statement. Those elbows man are fight finishers. If I were Gustaf stuck in the clinch, I'd recommend foot stomping the dislocated toe...roflz! I still crack up when I think about his facial reaction. He looked liked he was about to faint...haha.

Wonder what the odds are...
 
#73 ·
The bold part of this quote from the article in this link is the one I can't agree or understand, Mr. Jeremmy Botter:
In my mind, Jones is easily the greatest fighter in the world today, and it's only a matter of a few more supreme wins over top divisional contenders before he's considered the best of all time. Because there hasn't been a single fighter, ever, who has faced the kind of top-ranked competition on a continual basis as Jones. Not even Anderson Silva.
Last 5 Jones defenses against: Sonnen, Vitor, Rashad, Lyoto and Rampage.
Last 5 Anderson successful defenses against: Sonnen, Okami, Vitor, Sonnen and Maia.

These two streaks aren't even comparable? Really?

Edit: And how Sonnen and Vitor were top-ranked LHW when they fought Jones?
 
#74 ·
...Gus finds his range fast but he's never been in a 5 rd. fight. Jones has not fought anyone with a reach close to his. Gus has sweet angles and has the hands to crack Jones a few times. If he does...it's going to the ground where Jon will begin his devastation. Long-ass, cutting elbows from all angles. Total top control. I think Jones will soften him up and choke his eyeballs out.
That seems most likely to happen---or...Jones stands and catches Gus on the feet, dropping him then getting a TKO finish. That can happen too. Either way, Jones takes it...
 
#77 ·
I hate when people say Jones is better because he beat better guys than Gsp or Anderson did. really because the lhw belt changed hands more often than Matt Lindland changes underwear? The reason there are no former champions on then other two guys resumes is because they held the belt for such a long time as did there predecessors. If Gsp had come along 5 years later maybe Hughes, BJ, Alvez, Fitch and koschek would have made a super competitive division where they could have passed that belt around. if Anderson had came around 4 years later is there much doubt the division would have been more competitive with Hendo, Vitor, Sonnen etc Challenging Franklin or trading the belt around. The lack of note worthy fighters in the mw and we divisions is a nod to the long lasting dominance of there champions and does not retract from them.


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#81 ·
I'm pretty sure the LHW title holder is going to win, but what if he and GSP lose in succession. How crazy would that be...

Those are juicy odds though. Thanks for digging that up and posting it! :thumbsup:

$10 nets you $55.

Juss sayin...
 
#86 · (Edited)
You know I've seen many types of takedowns.

Old school Royce would body lock and trip you.
GSP lunges at you and shoots in.
Brock bulldozes his way in.
Cain is relentless and keeps going forever til he gets it. Single, double, ankle pick, doesn't matter.
Machida clinches then manipulates your body and trips you.
Maia, Big Nog, Werdum, Mir pull guard or feign injury. Not necessarily a takedown, but still get it to the ground.

Then you have the LHW title holder who powers his way. There doesn't seem like there's any resistance whatsoever. Even for Chael he got up once then that was it. Game over. He is what GSP does expect with much more dramatic effect. That's his finishing move. The fact that he has long arms and torso give him and incredible amount of torque unlike the average fighter.
 
#87 ·
I never thought Gus had a chance in this fight until I watched the weigh in and listened to that intro monologue by Jones. "It's bigger than just this one fight. It's about being the greatest combatant of all time." That's the kind of stupid shit people say before they get their ass kicked.
ask bendo
 
#88 ·
Bendo hadn't won every fight by destroying guys and making them quit. Bendo was talking about being the best while eeking by on Decisions, questionable decisions, and split decisions. Jones has wrecked everyone that was put in front of him. He is violence to a level most can only dream of achieving. He won't be LHW champ or dominant forever, but for right now I am not seeing anyone in the pack who gives him a solid run for his money.

This is apples and TNT comparisons, there are none.
 
#90 ·
Kenny Florian I think put it best:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1776281-dropping-knowledge-kenny-florian-breaks-down-ufc-165

First and foremost, I think he needs to have a good first round. I think it's very important that he take away any momentum from Jon Jones early. If Jon Jones has momentum, he's going to run away with it. Gustafsson isn't going to have a prayer. Gustafsson has to find a way to hurt Jones or make him respect his striking early.
Literally if Gus doesn't come out and make JBJ respect him then the fight will get away from him very quickly.
 
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