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Jon Jones (c) 44 81.48%
Alexander Gustafsson 10 18.52%
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:38 AM   #71 (permalink)
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No predictions from me. I'm just going to enjoy the fight. I will say that if the LHW title holder dispatches Gustaf with ease that would be a statement. Those elbows man are fight finishers. If I were Gustaf stuck in the clinch, I'd recommend foot stomping the dislocated toe...roflz! I still crack up when I think about his facial reaction. He looked liked he was about to faint...haha.

Wonder what the odds are...
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:00 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Per this article:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...diction/page/2

Currently JBJ - 800, Gus +550
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:49 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Per this article:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...diction/page/2

Currently JBJ - 800, Gus +550
The bold part of this quote from the article in this link is the one I can't agree or understand, Mr. Jeremmy Botter:
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In my mind, Jones is easily the greatest fighter in the world today, and it's only a matter of a few more supreme wins over top divisional contenders before he's considered the best of all time. Because there hasn't been a single fighter, ever, who has faced the kind of top-ranked competition on a continual basis as Jones. Not even Anderson Silva.
Last 5 Jones defenses against: Sonnen, Vitor, Rashad, Lyoto and Rampage.
Last 5 Anderson successful defenses against: Sonnen, Okami, Vitor, Sonnen and Maia.

These two streaks aren't even comparable? Really?

Edit: And how Sonnen and Vitor were top-ranked LHW when they fought Jones?
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:16 PM   #74 (permalink)
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...Gus finds his range fast but he's never been in a 5 rd. fight. Jones has not fought anyone with a reach close to his. Gus has sweet angles and has the hands to crack Jones a few times. If he does...it's going to the ground where Jon will begin his devastation. Long-ass, cutting elbows from all angles. Total top control. I think Jones will soften him up and choke his eyeballs out.
That seems most likely to happen---or...Jones stands and catches Gus on the feet, dropping him then getting a TKO finish. That can happen too. Either way, Jones takes it...
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I see this playing out similar to the Machida fight. I think Gus might surprise Jones in the first round but once he gets back his corner and Jackson changes the game plan Jones will win.

BTW am I the only one who really hates how Jones is called a "look, see, do fighter"?


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BTW am I the only one who really hates how Jones is called a "look, see, do fighter"?
Not really. He got his striking start in MMA by watching video highlights of PRIDE and UFC, which is why early on that was pretty much all he threw. In reality, for him, it makes sense.
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I hate when people say Jones is better because he beat better guys than Gsp or Anderson did. really because the lhw belt changed hands more often than Matt Lindland changes underwear? The reason there are no former champions on then other two guys resumes is because they held the belt for such a long time as did there predecessors. If Gsp had come along 5 years later maybe Hughes, BJ, Alvez, Fitch and koschek would have made a super competitive division where they could have passed that belt around. if Anderson had came around 4 years later is there much doubt the division would have been more competitive with Hendo, Vitor, Sonnen etc Challenging Franklin or trading the belt around. The lack of note worthy fighters in the mw and we divisions is a nod to the long lasting dominance of there champions and does not retract from them.


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I hate when people say Jones is better because he beat better guys than Gsp or Anderson did. really because the lhw belt changed hands more often than Matt Lindland changes underwear? The reason there are no former champions on then other two guys resumes is because they held the belt for such a long time as did there predecessors. If Gsp had come along 5 years later maybe Hughes, BJ, Alvez, Fitch and koschek would have made a super competitive division where they could have passed that belt around. if Anderson had came around 4 years later is there much doubt the division would have been more competitive with Hendo, Vitor, Sonnen etc Challenging Franklin or trading the belt around. The lack of note worthy fighters in the mw and we divisions is a nod to the long lasting dominance of there champions and does not retract from them.


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That's the same problem we are facing in the LHW division. Gus and Tex are contenders because of Jones dominating everyone else.


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I hate when people say Jones is better because he beat better guys than Gsp or Anderson did. really because the lhw belt changed hands more often than Matt Lindland changes underwear? The reason there are no former champions on then other two guys resumes is because they held the belt for such a long time as did there predecessors. If Gsp had come along 5 years later maybe Hughes, BJ, Alvez, Fitch and koschek would have made a super competitive division where they could have passed that belt around. if Anderson had came around 4 years later is there much doubt the division would have been more competitive with Hendo, Vitor, Sonnen etc Challenging Franklin or trading the belt around. The lack of note worthy fighters in the mw and we divisions is a nod to the long lasting dominance of there champions and does not retract from them.


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Jons record outshines GSP's in finishes and therefore the outcome of his fights are more definitive IMO.

To me P4P is much too subjective to have much merit to begin with. Anyway its not that the quality of the fighters they have faced has a huge disparity, its the means. Who you beat and how you beat them matters.

What if GSP finished Diaz, Condit and Hendrix by KO, how much stronger is his bid for GOAT with finishes than without? Besides this is MMA not boxing, the initiative was never to see who could out point who or win rounds, its always been damage first.

I was ripped when I wrote this, I kinda see my line of thought at least its linear lol.
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I hate when people say Jones is better because he beat better guys than Gsp or Anderson did. really because the lhw belt changed hands more often than Matt Lindland changes underwear? The reason there are no former champions on then other two guys resumes is because they held the belt for such a long time as did there predecessors. If Gsp had come along 5 years later maybe Hughes, BJ, Alvez, Fitch and koschek would have made a super competitive division where they could have passed that belt around. if Anderson had came around 4 years later is there much doubt the division would have been more competitive with Hendo, Vitor, Sonnen etc Challenging Franklin or trading the belt around. The lack of note worthy fighters in the mw and we divisions is a nod to the long lasting dominance of there champions and does not retract from them.


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Exactly. The longer Jones remains dominant the weaker the division, supposedly, will become. People that are not a fan of current champ x often seem to use the weak division excuse when in fact it is just a dominant champion making the division seem weak. Remember right before Jones became champ? When LHW was up there with LW as the deepest division? Divisions are simply viewed as deep when the skill level of the top 5-10 is similar. A truly deep division is about the quantity of quality fighters at the top level, not just at a similar level.
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