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Old 09-10-2013, 07:52 AM   #41 (permalink)
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It's GSPs team/people/lawyers that are causing this issue. They are the one's who are making all the issues happen. I bet GSP isn't even aware. Especially as we have heard nothing at all from him yet.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:45 AM   #42 (permalink)
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So Hendricks won't do VADA testing because GSP is in cahoots with them, so Hendricks offered to do it with WADA, GSP turned it down because he wants to know when the tests are coming and now everyone is saying what Hendricks is doing is suspect?

Am I missing something?

Surely GSP not wanting to do WADA because he doesn't know when the tests are coming is more suspect.
Hendricks didn't offer to do WADA testing. WADA doesn't test anyone. They certify labs, write sample collection procedure, keep a banned substance list, do research into new tests, etc. They don't actually run a program, even at the Olympics, the people in charge of drug testing are hired by the Olympics' medical advisory board. Though their procedure is exactly in line with WADA's guidelines.

The NSAC offered to do the enhanced testing, with the use of a WADA certified lab in Salt Lake City. Who originally spurred the creation of this program? Bob Arum. When Juan Manuel Marquez wouldn't agree to do VADA testing for his fight with Bradley.

What will this testing entail? Is there a whereabouts form? If not, how will the testing be swift and random? Will they use Doping Control Officers/Blood Collection Officers (DCOs/BCOs) who are professionals? Will they be proficient in WADA guidelines? Are the BCOs trained Phleobotomists? What is their method for finding exogenous testosterone? The NSAC's 6:1 T:E ratio, WADA's 4:1 ratio, or VADA's automatic carbon isotope ratio test? What's the procedure for challenging a positive test? Do your representatives get to observe the B sample confirmation before the press hears you failed a test, or do they just automatically report it like the NSAC normally does?

Those are all legitimate questions (especially if you're being asked to pay tens of thousands of dollars for the priviledge of doing it, as GSP was) but Keith Kizer won't acknowledge them. He got pissy with GSP's lawyer for asking questions and said he'd take asking questions as a no to being in the program.

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GSP is the suspicious one. WADA is an international agency that tests for the focking Olympics if I read right. Yet Vada, a what? Vegas company is supposed to be more reputable?? If GSP is clean he will test under any agency. Not just the one he seemingly has a relationship with. The UFC and Nevada Athletic Commission both recommended WADA. So what is the problem GSP???

If anyone looks suspicious it is GSP.
WADA's great, but like I said, they wouldn't be the ones administrating the tests, that'll be the NSAC.

VADA's credibility is much, much, much higher than the NSAC's.

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You are probably right. But why are the UFC and the commission recommended WADA?
Kizer has been taking shots at VADA since they formed. The head of VADA, Dr. Goodman, was the Chief Dr. for the NSAC for years. He's been taking the existence of VADA as a condemnation of all commissions, but specifically his commission.

Then VADA busted Lamont Peterson before a Vegas fight (which Kizer has admitted his testing wouldn't have been adequate to catch him) cancelling the fight. No revenue for Vegas.

VADA actually has no incentive for a fight to go forward, whereas the UFC and the commission stand to lose money if a fight falls apart.


Also, I feel this should be added to the conversation:

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In an attempt to clear the air, Beaulieu provided the exact email he sent to all parties, on Aug. 17:

“Hello all,

We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addtion to VADA.

I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until August 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by Commission.

Best Regards

Rodolphe”
http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/gsp-...sting-dispute/

That's GSP's lawyer saying GSP is agreeing to do BOTH VADA and the enhanced program offered by the NSAC, three weeks ago. It was Kizer who shot them down when the lawyer asked about the program. GSP didn't duck anything.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:32 AM   #43 (permalink)
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It's GSPs team/people/lawyers that are causing this issue. They are the one's who are making all the issues happen. I bet GSP isn't even aware. Especially as we have heard nothing at all from him yet.
You have it backwards, GSP and his camp are most certainly aware of the excuses and wild allegations that Hendricks and his camp are making. GSP has offered to test with both VADA and through WADA while Hendricks and his camp have backed out completely from all testing even though Hendricks said he would test with anyone.

The only side causing problems and trying to delay the tests so the fight can happen without proper testing is Hendricks camp. The onus is on Hendricks for not keeping his word, GSP has kept his right from the start and has more then done his part.
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This whole thing is retarded. Do they testing that the commission's mandate, nothing more and nothing less. If it isn't sufficient, that isn't the fighters fault. All of this extra, unnecessary bullshit is stupid and pointless posturing. This is exactly the kind of shit that proves that there is a good reason that the fighters don't get to call most of the shots.
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Hendricks didn't offer to do WADA testing. WADA doesn't test anyone. They certify labs, write sample collection procedure, keep a banned substance list, do research into new tests, etc. They don't actually run a program, even at the Olympics, the people in charge of drug testing are hired by the Olympics' medical advisory board. Though their procedure is exactly in line with WADA's guidelines.

The NSAC offered to do the enhanced testing, with the use of a WADA certified lab in Salt Lake City. Who originally spurred the creation of this program? Bob Arum. When Juan Manuel Marquez wouldn't agree to do VADA testing for his fight with Bradley.

What will this testing entail? Is there a whereabouts form? If not, how will the testing be swift and random? Will they use Doping Control Officers/Blood Collection Officers (DCOs/BCOs) who are professionals? Will they be proficient in WADA guidelines? Are the BCOs trained Phleobotomists? What is their method for finding exogenous testosterone? The NSAC's 6:1 T:E ratio, WADA's 4:1 ratio, or VADA's automatic carbon isotope ratio test? What's the procedure for challenging a positive test? Do your representatives get to observe the B sample confirmation before the press hears you failed a test, or do they just automatically report it like the NSAC normally does?

Those are all legitimate questions (especially if you're being asked to pay tens of thousands of dollars for the priviledge of doing it, as GSP was) but Keith Kizer won't acknowledge them. He got pissy with GSP's lawyer for asking questions and said he'd take asking questions as a no to being in the program.



WADA's great, but like I said, they wouldn't be the ones administrating the tests, that'll be the NSAC.

VADA's credibility is much, much, much higher than the NSAC's.



Kizer has been taking shots at VADA since they formed. The head of VADA, Dr. Goodman, was the Chief Dr. for the NSAC for years. He's been taking the existence of VADA as a condemnation of all commissions, but specifically his commission.

Then VADA busted Lamont Peterson before a Vegas fight (which Kizer has admitted his testing wouldn't have been adequate to catch him) cancelling the fight. No revenue for Vegas.

VADA actually has no incentive for a fight to go forward, whereas the UFC and the commission stand to lose money if a fight falls apart.


Also, I feel this should be added to the conversation:



http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/gsp-...sting-dispute/

That's GSP's lawyer saying GSP is agreeing to do BOTH VADA and the enhanced program offered by the NSAC, three weeks ago. It was Kizer who shot them down when the lawyer asked about the program. GSP didn't duck anything.
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