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post #11 of 35 (permalink) Old 09-11-2013, 08:06 AM
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I don't know why none of the fighters have aimed for his long torso and legs. You're not gonna hit his head unless he's moving forward cuz he pokes his fingers in your eyes...damn scandalous...but effective.
I am guessing it is a combination of lacking the skills and being afraid of getting taken down. I think Rampage hit him with like two good leg kicks that clearly bothered Bones and that is the most I have seen anyone do. If you don't have confidence that you have the power to stop him and pull back speed to not get taken down you probably aren't going to use many kicks against a wrestler of his caliber.
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There are no takedowns if Gus stays on the oustide.

He's got the right gameplan, question is if he knows how to keep Jones on the oustide.




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Its times like this where leg length would be a mighty handy statistic to know. Why the feck they don't measure this in MMA is god damn absurd.
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Staying on the outside is the exact thing Gus shouldn't do, he's gonna get hit with that pole arm of jones all night and oblique kicked.


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No you won't because Jones is not going to keep this fight standing. The second he see's an opening he's going for a double leg.
Has he actually ever gone for a double leg¿ Jones Greco-awesomeness might have clouded my memory, but I can't remember any double leg, only a ton of TDs from the Greco clinch.

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I am guessing it is a combination of lacking the skills and being afraid of getting taken down. I think Rampage hit him with like two good leg kicks that clearly bothered Bones and that is the most I have seen anyone do. If you don't have confidence that you have the power to stop him and pull back speed to not get taken down you probably aren't going to use many kicks against a wrestler of his caliber.
I was wondering about that always. Not necessarily low kicks may be the key against him, but I've thought that the same side/oblique kick he like to use himself would be something he might be vulnerable to.
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I was wondering about that always. Not necessarily low kicks may be the key against him, but I've thought that the same side/oblique kick he like to use himself would be something he might be vulnerable to.
Exactly. Many people are assuming that staying on the outside against Bones would be a disaster. But the facts are Gus legs are considerably longer then any of Bones previous opponents. Hell, they may well be longer then Jones legs themselves.

I cant say ive seen much quality kicking from Gus. But then, I could have said the same about Bones, before he added those low kicks to his repertoire. If Gus is to stand any chance, he needs to come in with some new tools.
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Its times like this where leg length would be a mighty handy statistic to know. Why the feck they don't measure this in MMA is god damn absurd.
It is pretty absurd,
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To add... I kind of blindly went with the wiki 77-ish inch reach for Gus without really backing it up with anything. 7.5 inch reach advantage is a huge amount.

But as more and more photos appear of the two side by side, its clear that the reach thing is a load of bollocks and in fact it's 2 inches at the very most. In my opinion, its less then that.

Looking at this pics:-



Looks to me like Bones knuckles are at most two inches lower. But Gus shoulder is at least 1 inch higher. Whatever the geeky details, its clearly not fecking 7.5 inches. Its considerably less. Enough to mean the physical reach advantage is a total myth. This is a real eye opener for me and a bit of a game changer.

Of course, Jones may well use his reach better. I'm not debating skillsets here. Just physical tools.
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I'm sure I read something earlier that said Gus was just over 81 and Bones was just over 84.

Looks about right.



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I'm sure I read something earlier that said Gus was just over 81 and Bones was just over 84.

Looks about right.
Gus himself said he was 81.2. Jones is listed at 84.5.

Looking at the image, I simply cant believe there's over 3 inches difference between them.
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