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Old 09-11-2013, 10:51 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Gus himself said he was 81.2. Jones is listed at 84.5.

Looking at the image, I simply cant believe there's over 3 inches difference between them.
At least looking at the photo above, Jones is wider between the shoulders as well. That will obviously account for some of the difference as well.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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At least looking at the photo above, Jones is wider between the shoulders as well. That will obviously account for some of the difference as well.
I considered that, but with the belt slung over the shoulder its hard to tell. If it is wider, im not sure theres much in it.

Either way, I dont think theres enough is imply any kind of significant reach advantage for Bones. I certainly believe he's longer, but not by much.

I guess im taking to myself more then anything. I genuinely believed it was 5+ inches. I backed Gus to win just for the trollish feck of it. But now, I genuinely believe he has a reasonable chance.
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Old 09-11-2013, 11:14 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I'll be interested in a striking battle, but I think Jones takes him down and pounds on him. And as always the threat of a TD goes a long way in striking. If Bones goes out and breaks him down standing that will be really impressive.

The thing that will one day change a Bones fight is power. Just like it almost always does in big time fights. Anderson/Weidman, GSP/Serra, Couture/Brock, Chuck/Rampage and so on especially at the higher few weight classes. Gustaf has to be looking for that well-timed short punch/uppercut/Hendo bomb. If Bones is going to look to stand any, Gustaf has to be looking at hurting him early, not from distance or trying to just put-strike.

This is why I believe Tex has a better chance than Gustaf. I think Tex has that power. And he seems to have more of a chance of keeping it upright. Plus a better chance to sub from anywhere. Out-pointing/out fighting Jones isn't the best gameplan. Power/Speed kill. You have to bum rush him or find a counter.

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To add... I kind of blindly went with the wiki 77-ish inch reach for Gus without really backing it up with anything. 7.5 inch reach advantage is a huge amount.

But as more and more photos appear of the two side by side, its clear that the reach thing is a load of bollocks and in fact it's 2 inches at the very most. In my opinion, its less then that.

Looking at this pics:-



Looks to me like Bones knuckles are at most two inches lower. But Gus shoulder is at least 1 inch higher. Whatever the geeky details, its clearly not fecking 7.5 inches. Its considerably less. Enough to mean the physical reach advantage is a total myth. This is a real eye opener for me and a bit of a game changer.

Of course, Jones may well use his reach better. I'm not debating skillsets here. Just physical tools.
Actually this picture has me thinking 7.5 is close. Bones' fingers probably go another half foot past the picture. Bones' arms look more flexed as Gustaf's are more straight down. Even if you give Bones a 2 inch one arm advantage, that times 2 is 4. Then his shoulders are much more broad than Gustaf's. I can easily see the measured difference being pretty close.

Very rare the UFC shorts any decent fighters on their measurables. They ******* tried to sell Carwin at 6'5. The dude is 6 foot nothing. 6'1 at most. Tale of teh tape had Ellenberger and Kampmann both at 6 foot. Ellenberger was a good 4 or 5 inches shorter when they met in the middle. It is laughable how much the UFC exaggerates. 90% of the fighters aren't quite or in some cases not even close to what the UFC says they are.

There will big a significant size advantage for Bones come that night. He is just a bigger guy all around other than pure height and his chick legs. But I think he will be much stronger than Alexander in most all situations.
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A 3 inch reach advantage could equal 1 inch or even less of actual jab length. but that's enough Gus is going to get eye poked in the first minute of the first round.

It's too bad they don't list leg length. If gus could use Jones' push kick to the knee against him that would be all kinds of awesome.

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Actually this picture has me thinking 7.5 is close. Bones' fingers probably go another half foot past the picture. Bones' arms look more flexed as Gustaf's are more straight down. Even if you give Bones a 2 inch one arm advantage, that times 2 is 4. Then his shoulders are much more broad than Gustaf's. I can easily see the measured difference being pretty close.
Of course. I forgot its from finger tip to finger tip. But only up to the knuckles counts in any significant way.

Having said that, you're exaggerating somewhat. To say Bones fingers go another 6 inches off the bottom of the image is a lot. Even if correct, ITs not like Gus stops there. And, as I said, Gus shoulder is clearly higher then Bones. I'll stick by my guns. I believe Bones arms are each at most one inch longer. Also, to say his shoulders are much more broad? Really? It looks marginal to me. Even to the point where I put the image in photoshop and measured the distance from the middle of the neck to the left shoulder. Bones is no wider then Gus going by the pic. If anything, Gus was a few pixels wider.

Going by the pic, of course. Not saying anything is fact. But going by the pic, Bones is absolutely not much longer then Gus.
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Of course. I forgot its from finger tip to finger tip. But only up to the knuckles counts in any significant way.

Having said that, you're exaggerating somewhat. To say Bones fingers go another 6 inches off the bottom of the image is a lot. Even if correct, ITs not like Gus stops there. And, as I said, Gus shoulder is clearly higher then Bones. I'll stick by my guns. I believe Bones arms are each at most one inch longer. Also, to say his shoulders are much more broad? Really? It looks marginal to me. Even to the point where I put the image in photoshop and measured the distance from the middle of the neck to the left shoulder. Bones is no wider then Gus going by the pic. If anything, Gus was a few pixels wider.

Going by the pic, of course. Not saying anything is fact. But going by the pic, Bones is absolutely not much longer then Gus.
Not exaggerating at all. From what I can see the pic stops BEFORE Bones knuckles. Looking at my fairly average hands my middle finger is about 4 inches. Bones is a 6'4 black dude who's brothers play football. His hands are probably huge. Half foot more is actually on the low side in my opinion. Bones probably has way bigger hands than Gustaf. And we will see come fight time. But I am always amazed at how big Bones actually is on fight night.
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Not exaggerating at all. From what I can see the pic stops BEFORE Bones knuckles. Looking at my fairly average hands my middle finger is about 4 inches. Bones is a 6'4 black dude who's brothers play football. His hands are probably huge. Half foot more is actually on the low side in my opinion. Bones probably has was bigger hands than Gustaf.
Ok. But im saying that Bones knuckles are no more then two inches below Gus. And Gus shoulders are at least an inch higher. Assuming the width from shoulder to shoulder is similar, then a 2-3 inch difference is all I can see at most, going by the pic. Not 7+. Even less if we only count up to the knuckles.

Bones always looks massive on fight night because his opponents are considerably smaller. Gus is a beast. Its going to be weird seeing Bones in there with somebody like that.
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Bones always looks massive on fight night because his opponents are considerably smaller. Gus is a beast. Its going to be weird seeing Bones in there with somebody like that.
Not really. I always realize he is going against a 6 foot nothing guy. And expect him to big much bigger. But each time he surprises me and looks bigger than I remember.

I think Bones' upper body is much bigger than Gustaf's. He dwarfed Shogun much more than Gustaf did as far as I remember.

It will be cool seeing him in there with someone close to his size for sure. I still think people will be surprised how much bigger he is though. Maybe I'm wrong and underestimating Gustaf's size. I always thought he looked like a T-Rex though. Long legs. Tall. But reach and shoulders rather small. Makes the weigh ins interesting. Even though we won't be able to tell the how they stack up mass wise until fight night.
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I always thought he looked like a T-Rex though. Long legs. Tall. But reach and shoulders rather small.
Me too. That's why I found the image so surprising. I think when it comes to the actual fight, Bones knows how to maximize his length better then Gus, which leaves us with the impression he's much longer. But its likely his technique that makes him so as opposed to actual physical length.

Either way, im looking forward to the fight very much. I think its going to be competitive, with Jones ultimately coming out on top. But I wouldn't be surprised if Gus took it.
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Has he actually ever gone for a double leg¿ Jones Greco-awesomeness might have clouded my memory, but I can't remember any double leg, only a ton of TDs from the Greco clinch.
The Machida takedown was a double. Jones didn't drive through him the way Sonnen does, but he basically got a hold of his legs and then pulled them upwards.

As for the height/reach advantage, Gus had better plan on setting up his power hand. If he hopes to pepper Jones with Jabs he's going to come up short simply because Jones is better at it.
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