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Old 10-06-2013, 03:41 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I really think those weight vests are at best a waste of time and worst bad for your health. Fight training in my opinion is done best with body weight training. Through in some training with elastic bands and light weights/cable machines and you get the healthiest most dangerous version of yourself. There are a lot of workouts that build muscle while making yourself weaker in the long run by making yourself more stiff and restricting your blood flow, there's a reason guys like GSP understand the value of something like gymnastics. Body weight training is where it's at.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:23 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I have pretty good cardio at the moment and I smoke bud every day and haven't trained vigorously since Thailand, just sparring and shadow because my heavy bag finally gave in.

I do go on 20-30km nature hikes pretty often aswell though and altitude is good for lung capacity.

I am lucky to be able to get super fit really quickly, like when I first went to Thailand on the most recent trip I was in poor condition and threw up during my first two sessions of hard sparring/clinch work, but after those two I was good to go.

I think you have to train pretty hard to be able to do that though, I push myself and I think mental strength is probably the biggest factor in terms of improving cardio. That inability to quit forces you to swim, sinking is no longer an option.
Yah I use to train an hour Muay Thai then an hour BJJ without too many issues. Might have skipped the 2nd hour warm up cuz I was already good to go, but when I came back after a long layoff I was huffing and puffing after 30 minutes of leg drills. The instructor was laughing...lolz!

You must have been punishing the heavy bag with ur leg kicks.

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But don't do that punching with weight vest too often. Your joints won't like it. My suggestion was only for feeling the power due to additional weight.

Cardio is something that you usually really can work on. I'm often surprised how pro fighters sometimes show very bad cardio. It's probably, because cardio training is what makes the least fun. Getting exhausted by the exercises is an ugly feeling without the reward of having at least punched someone in the face So often people go light on cardio training. So you either need good mental strength to push yourself, like El Bresko told, or you have to find some cardio training where you can't go light. I once trained in a gym which was on 5th floor and you just couldn't escape the intense cardio training, as it involved running the stairs. Everybody would see that you were going slow if you were the last to arrive. So people there usually had pretty good cardio.
They say that humans have one of the best endurances. Even cheetahs get out of breath very quickly and need time to recuperate.

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Imo they are highly overrated. I used to drill and train with a 25lb vest. I never seen any kind of real result other than sweating more because I had this big thing on that doesn't breathe at all.

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I think resistance and aquatics is probably one of the better exercises. I use to have a pool in my condo and practice. Actually swimming is SERIOUS CARDIO.
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Cardio is something that you usually really can work on. I'm often surprised how pro fighters sometimes show very bad cardio. It's probably, because cardio training is what makes the least fun. Getting exhausted by the exercises is an ugly feeling without the reward of having at least punched someone in the face So often people go light on cardio training. So you either need good mental strength to push yourself, like El Bresko told, or you have to find some cardio training where you can't go light. I once trained in a gym which was on 5th floor and you just couldn't escape the intense cardio training, as it involved running the stairs. Everybody would see that you were going slow if you were the last to arrive. So people there usually had pretty good cardio.
That's true indeed. Cardio training sucks and many don't do the extra effort in this department for that reason.
However, lack of cardio training is not the sole reason someone gasses prematurely in a fight. If you watch a marathon, you see how important is the emotional factor and strategy, because you train alone and pace yourself for optimization of endurance/time, but once you are running with others, guessing how to beat them and altering your pace on the go, that consumes extra energy.
If you start a marathon as a sprinter, you can deplete your gas tank in a matter of seconds, just like the Cheetah mentioned by No_Mercy. If you don't pace yourself in a fight, something similar will follow.
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That's true indeed. Cardio training sucks and many don't do the extra effort in this department for that reason.
However, lack of cardio training is not the sole reason someone gasses prematurely in a fight. If you watch a marathon, you see how important is the emotional factor and strategy, because you train alone and pace yourself for optimization of endurance/time, but once you are running with others, guessing how to beat them and altering your pace on the go, that consumes extra energy.
If you start a marathon as a sprinter, you can deplete your gas tank in a matter of seconds, just like the Cheetah mentioned by No_Mercy. If you don't pace yourself in a fight, something similar will follow.
Of course, pacing plays a huge part in how fast a fighter gasses. Cardio training builds the base of your endurance and pacing is the skill how to use your endurance in the fight. It's a much neglected "art" which is as important as the skills of striking, ground fighting etc. With a good base endurance and the knowledge how to pace yourself and only put pressure at the right moment, you can make your opponent gas faster.
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They say that humans have one of the best endurances. Even cheetahs get out of breath very quickly and need time to recuperate.
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Technically less mass reduces power.. but when u have KO power like roy that shit is not gonna go away losing 10 lbs let alone 50.. thats why guys at lw and fw can still KTFO mfers.... body mechanics and heart can overide all of that
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Technically less mass reduces power.. but when u have KO power like roy that shit is not gonna go away losing 10 lbs let alone 50.. thats why guys at lw and fw can still KTFO mfers.... body mechanics and heart can overide all of that
I don't see how heart increases KO power
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