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Old 10-08-2013, 04:07 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I think you missed the tongue in cheek aspect of my post. Not only that, but I think you missed it's point entirely...
Oh I wasn't referring to your post, I figured you were being a bit cheeky ... it's Calminian who took it literally, I was responding to him. Sorry it didn't quote him in the reply must've unchecked somehow I've added it now.
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Oh I wasn't referring to your post, I figured you were being a bit cheeky ... it's Calminian who took it literally, I was responding to him. Sorry it didn't quote him in the reply must've unchecked somehow I've added it now.
Yeah, I meant Calminian....


I had to double check I'd quoted the right person there
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:12 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Yeah, I meant Calminian....


I had to double check I'd quoted the right person there
Oh yeah nm I'm being all hasty and blind today, just saw a quoted block of text and a post right after mine, thought it was replied to me... too much coffee .
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Oh yeah nm I'm being all hasty and blind today, just saw a quoted block of text and a post right after mine, thought it was replied to me... too much coffee .
Not enough coffee more like
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Actually no, Chael has never since had those record breaking numbers inside the cage. Now he walks in at the legal limit of 6:1 or less T/E ratio for TRT exempt athletes. That is still cheating with a doctor's cert, but it's much less than 16:1.

His record breaking numbers did allow him to pummel Anderson for 4.5 rounds. His normal levels of cheating get his ass kicked. Chael doesn't just need to cheat, he needs to cheat big to get anywhere.
Not sure what you are talking about in your first sentence but okay.

In the second fight i saw Anderson cheating not Chael. The first round went just like it did in the last fight.

His performances have not decreased after his suspension. And no its not cheating. If he was cheating he would be suspended. He is following the rules thus he is not cheating no matter what you have concocted in that head of yours.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:40 AM   #47 (permalink)
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In the second fight i saw Anderson cheating not Chael.
you must have been high as **** then?
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Not sure what you are talking about in your first sentence but okay.

In the second fight i saw Anderson cheating not Chael. The first round went just like it did in the last fight.

His performances have not decreased after his suspension. And no its not cheating. If he was cheating he would be suspended. He is following the rules thus he is not cheating no matter what you have concocted in that head of yours.
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Current standards by WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) allows for testosterone levels to reach a 4:1 ratio in testosterone to epitestosterone in a normal male athlete. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone.

The state of Nevada allows up to a 6:1 ratio, but talk on Thursday was about possibly changing that to the standard WADA rule of 4:1 with additional testing also being instituted.
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The urinalysis showed he had a 16.9:1 T:E ratio, almost 17 times that of a normal adult male. California allows for a 4:1 ratio.

He was suspended, but in his appeal to the state, we learned that his elevated levels were because of TRT, which he needed for hypogonadism. He was granted a TUE in Nevada, with a 6:1 allowable ratio, for his UFC 148 rematch against "The Spider."
http://www.mmamania.com/2013/8/3/458...orts-1-TRT-TUE

TRT isn't a license to pump 100000 gallons of Testosterone and walk into the octagon. It only means you can bring you levels back up to "normal" levels.

There is a lot of leniency in what exactly is "normal" as with TRT they allow up to 6 times the average ratio of T/E "just in case". In spite of all that leniency, 16.9 still MASSIVELY over the limits and cheating, with or without TRT. Does that make it more clear?

Not to mention Chael didn't even have TRT exemption at the time of the first Anderson fight. He just realized a week before the fight that he didn't cycle properly and was going to piss hot, and just out of the blue called up the commission and told them he was on testosterone, as if simply telling them grants him exemption. You're supposed to apply months in advance, get your levels monitored etc. for a proper exemption, all things he did AFTER the first Anderson fight i.e. he was definitely cheating the first time. Not like grab a bit of shorts for a few seconds, which the ref is allowed to deal with as he sees fit, but chemical enhancement which causes suspension.

For the current TRT exemption, ok that is my opinion that it is still cheating, not strictly by rules as of now. But that opinion is shared by a majority of the sporting community and fans, read any of the writeups about TRT as a loophole on any major MMA site. It's a fraud loophole and everyone knows it.
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Lol if Wandy has a photo that looks nice then he's on roids, but Chael TESTS POSITIVE, before he even had an exemption, and even with an exemption his numbers for the 1st anderson fight were beyond illegal and in the record books, yet he's only "roiding in moderation", whatever that is lol. Some fans are such morons.
People obviously somehow assume that if a fighter looks ripped and muscle packed he must be roided.
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you must have been high as **** then?
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You must have been extremely high to miss the blatant shorts holding. I think he did it more then iv ever seen in a fight. All cause he didnt want to be taken down again.

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Lol you need to find out what Cheating means. Following the rules isnt cheating. Until the state atheltic commission changes their rules then Chael isnt cheating. End of Discussion no matter how much you hate Chael.
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